The internet chess commentariat is always eager to talk about Bobby Fischer, with or without any recent pretext. And when they have an actual excuse, stand back. So please, leave the chess threads alone. Same goes with all the political rambling under chess threads. I'm loathe to delete things, but when people are trying to talk about an ongoing chess event and have to wade through so much off-topic crud I feel obliged to. Thanks much.
To help out, here's your Fischer thread. The Fischer-related news that is causing the kerfuffle is the appearance of an auction on Ebay Canada this week for a book called "My 61 Memorable Games" by Bobby Fischer. [Auction removed by Ebay, see below.] Actually it's for 50 copies of the book, which includes analysis of the first game of Fischer-Spassky, 1992 and "improved analysis and commentary" from Fischer. There is also a foreword from Fischer quoted by the auction seller:
"It is no secret that I have withdrawn from competitive chess. This book will not focus on that subject. Certain views that I have expressed publicly in the past, through radio and the inter- net and other forms of communication, are likewise not mentioned anywhere in this book. The only quarrels featured on these pages will be the silent battles of the two minds playing the game of chess. I know many of the readers seek answers to probing questions regarding the Bobby Fischer of 1972. That person no longer exists. The questions I will answer are: Why did I write this book? Why now, after all these years? I’ve wanted to release an official version of my book updated in algebraic notation, with a few minor corrections. (Editor’s note: Unauthorized versions of Mr. Fischer’s book from 1969, My 60 Memorable Games, do exist.) I also have a few things to say to others that have written about my games that I strongly disagree with, to put it mildly. It’s about time that I addressed these issues. And why now? The United Bank of Switzerland has taken almost all of the money from my 1992 rematch with Borris Spassky. For those who are unaware, this is over $3,000,000. My ongoing battle with them is getting nowhere despite International Law clearly being on my side. So I bring to you my previous 60 memorable games plus one from the event that has indirectly caused me so much trouble, in the hopes that the sales of this book will reverse that situation. It was tempting to add many important games from the path leading up to and including the 1972 World Championship, but that was simply too big of a project for now."
This entire things looks bizarre to me. The question is whether it's bizarre because Fischer is nuts or bizarre because it's a scam Fischer has nothing to do with. There is no mention of a publisher and if Fischer is actually hard up for money, which I doubt, he could simply sign a few books. The auction page includes two images from inside the book and reflect substantial changes and additions to the analysis and text based on comparing them to my copy of the 1969 original. But even from this limited sample, several of the changes look like the arbitrary ones that got UK publisher Batsford into such hot water for their 1995 version of "My 60 Memorable Games." That enraged Fischer; I was at the press conference in Buenos Aires in which he railed against Batsford while brandishing the offending edition. Esteemed chess historian Edward Winter went over it and found 570 changes from the original, shaming Batsford into pulling the book.
My initial suspicion was that this "61" is based on the Batsford text, but I don't have the Batsford book to check. Regardless, it certainly contains examples of what Winter called "pointless chopping and changing." E.g. in the first game in the book, against Sherwin, the comment in analysis after move 16..Ng6 reads "Had Sherwin seen what was coming, however, he might have chosen..." in the original. In the auction page it reads "Had Sherwin seen what was coming, however, he might have decided to defend with..."
It's very hard to imagine Fischer doing this since it was exactly this sort of thing he railed against. (As well as the faulty analysis Batsford inserted.) That doesn't rule out his giving permission to someone else to make a buck. Perhaps Fischer, after 40 years, now feels strongly about putting out an updated edition. Publishers have rights, but Fischer hasn't exactly been very respectful of such things (or publishers respectful of him). Still, with such a potentially lucrative franchise there is no way the publisher possessing the rights to the original material would let this slide. And if they are involved there would be a much bigger roll-out than a mysterious and anonymous appearance on Canadian Ebay. Again, it's not hard to imagine the paranoid Fischer eschewing dealing with the publisher and going this route, although this all seems extremely dubious. If he wanted to make money, why keep it quiet? No PR was done at all, almost as if they were hoping to keep this under the radar. My feeling is that Fischer has nothing to do with this and that both buyer and seller should beware.
I'd be happy to be wrong, so we await a comment from Fischer (in hospital last I heard) or something from Faber and Faber (or whoever has the rights today, perhaps Batsford?!). It's one of the tragedies of our literature that such an important book has remained out of print for so long. A simple conversion into algebraic would have been fabulous. Of course it's a shame we'll never have a complete collected games by Fischer; "My 60 Memorable Games" ends in 1967 and the one great game from 1992 is hardly compensation for 1968-1972. Marky Mark has some caustic comments about how it's almost worse if this is the real, Fischer-authored and approved, deal, since it would be such a blatant cash grab. I'm fine with authors making money from their work and there's nothing wrong with an updated edition of the original. Let's hope that's what this is.
UPDATE: This email from Ebay just in from someone who bid on one of the lots:
The following is a notice from eBay Trust & Safety regarding:
Item Number - 320196692877
Item Title - My 61 Memorable Games
Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this seller's items. We recently removed this seller's active listings and suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we cannot share further details about this seller.
So, scam or, less likely, a pirate book and the auction was shut down after contact with the rights owner.
The only reason why I think this might be for real is the fact that the scammers would have to be extremely stupid to think they can get away with this if it is indeed a scam.
Then again, there's a sucker born every minute, I guess it goes both ways. ;)
My bet is that this is a prank.
This book deal is most likely a hoax. This is the official Bobby Fischer website: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/fischer/ (warning: offensive language and vulgarity in that website). There is no mention of any plan to write or publish a book. It discusses in extreme detail the UBS case though.
UBS was of course the *Union* Bank of Switzerland (not *United*). And it's been simply UBS AG for about a decade. A former client of UBS Wealth Management would know this, I'd think.
If Bobby is in dire need of money at this time, I believe he would have autographed those first hundred copies. Doing something that simple and easy would have increased the value of the purported 1st editions tremendously. Bobby is crazy but he is not stupid. Also, just the first game from the 92 match, too big of project or not, doesn't fly right. He could have easily added the #6 masterpiece from the 72 match along with a few others from the Candidate Matches which would have increased the value that much more. No, something is rotten in Denmark...or Canada.
Iceland has an interesting link about this 'book', with a cover shot.
http://www.skak.blog.is/blog/skak/
To Chesstraveler Well I agree with some of your points. Yes, he SHOULD have signed this First batch of 100. Reality, he didn't, and anyway it's too late now. The folks involved, from my sources, were not able to get Bobby to do this. Bobby is still Bobby. Yes, he could, should, but , reality, this is what were getting. I have reasons to believe, more will be coming, as long now as his health improves. But this is no hoax.
These secret "sources" you speak of, might they -by any chance- be located somewhere between your buttocks?
If the plan was to make all this as suspicious as humanly possible: congratulations, you succeeded.
Perhaps this is a stupid question but are there any people on the inside loop that really care about Fischer anymore? I can't think of any chess player less appealing. It's too bad that people still make a fuss about him.
If Fischer is in that desperate need of money I would be happy to help. I live in Reykjavik, so it would be easy to meet. I would be willing to pay $10,000 to play a single game against him. I bet it would be easy to raise a lot more money, too, if he needed it. I don't expect a response, naturally, but if one is forthcoming, just contact me by private message through the message board.
If you look close in one of the pictures I am 99% certain this is a sham. I won't say which picture though or what I see, since thats a way to guarantee your mind sees what I see (or what I want it to see). If you spot it yourself also we'll have both spotted it and the sham proof will be more real. I'm not sure though.
Heh, I actually have a Russian-language edition of "My 60 Memorable Games". It's pretty beat up but still perfectly readable... if you like Cyrillic script, that is :)
Regards, zdrakec
I think Bobby stole some of the ideas for his site from Sam Sloan's site. Sloan vs. Fischer lawsuit: that would be epic.
The fact that the photo of Fischer on the cover (actually just a digital image) is a news photo from the 92 match is another blow to its credibility. Regardless of how it turns out, they certainly couldn't have done a better job of making it look like a scam had they tried. If it isn't a scam, they're really bad businesspeople.
And why should this be treated like some sort of sooper sekrit? If he's trying to raise money, obviously publicity would only help. So would verification. They could simply have put up some photos of the actual books and gotten some trusted third-party sources to get comments from Fischer and a publisher and the price would skyrocket.
And for those claiming mysterious sources, why would anything be off the record? This is taking on overtones of Howard Hughes, with people scamming on his name because his paranoia explains his lack of involvement and they figured he'd be too out of it to do anything. Some of those people went to jail.
If he wanted to make money from a first-edition limited run he'd be doing it like J.K. Rowling and going through Sotheby's or some other venue where the real dollars would come in.
If the 2nd printing is published in February, 2008 why do the online booksellers know nothing about it? They have books ready to order well in advance of publishing date.
Mig, I remember when you were telling us about your "ear" problem, btw, hope you have it resolved; but the photo of Bobby on the book cover, is NOT like any photos from 1992. Maybe you mistated, so I'll allow you to correct yourself. In 1992 Bobby's beard had more of a reddish color to it....that pic on the cover is no doubt from 2004-onward. It might be difficult to detect aging in a person from 2-4 years at most, but not going back 15 years to 1992. All your other points are valid to make, and understandable, but do not prove a hoax. Most of you folks need to lighten up, and be more positive! When has Bobby ever done anything, that would seem logical to most of us concerning his livelyhood? Think about it. Mig, you were with him in 1996, so you know how he seems to not do the things that would be easiest for most of us to do. With all the negative reactions around here, I'm happy to post in the positive.
The photo of Fischer is one that was taken shortly after his arrival in Iceland. He had been given a haircut and had his beard trimmed after his "deportation" from Japan. He has the same cap and denim shirt that he wore to the press meeting to be interviewed. Those pictures taken during the question and answer period are quite common.
From Ebay to someone who bid on one of the lots:
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The following is a notice from eBay Trust & Safety regarding:
Item Number - 320196692877
Item Title - My 61 Memorable Games
Our records show that you were a bidder or buyer of one or more of this seller's items. We recently removed this seller's active listings and suspended the seller's trading privileges. Due to privacy concerns we cannot share further details about this seller.
**************************
Glad my shenanigans detector is still working.
As of right now (Monday morning), the ebay.ca link to the Fischer book auction brings up the following message:
"This listing (320196692877) has been removed or is no longer available. Please make sure you entered the right item number.
If the listing was removed by eBay, consider it cancelled. Note: Listings that have ended more than 90 days ago will no longer appear on eBay."
I believe sellers have the ability to cancel auctions for legitimate reasons, i.e. it becomes obvious they're not going to get enough money, but weren't we only on day 3 (4?) of a 7-day auction? Looks like a hoax after all.
Damn you Mig, beat me by 30 seconds.
Nyah nyah! And it was canceled by Ebay, not the seller, and that account was suspended. So, scam or, less likely, a pirate book and the auction was shut down after contact with the rights owner. They are usually pretty strong on shutting down auctions due to copyright complaints. But total scam and no real book still seems most likely.
I was bidding on this item because curiosity got the best of me. So, I contacted the seller and asked what was up. She said she was getting so many threats of physical harm and other hate mail from an email account JewsAgainstFischer and other 'nasty emails' that she forwarded them to eBay and asked them to protect her privacy and remove her account information.
Am I the only chessplayer (albeit not a very good one) in the world who could care less?
Dude went insane more than 30 years ago, and K-K I conclusively that staging a world championship in the manner he demanded was insanity.
The less attention we pay to anything having to do with the guy's modern activities, the better off American chess is. I'm glad somebody (Dan Lucas) finally got that and sent Larry Evans's column to the dustheap it should have entered in 1990, if not before.
A little selective memory, no, Brennan Price?
We both know you are fully aware that same Dan Lucas published a very lengthy (and beautifully written, reported and illustrated) cover story about Fischer's legacy - three months ago, and more than a year after dumping Evans' column. It is the second-most popular story published in Chess Life all year, according to a ranking you can see on the USCF Web site.
Yes Marcus this is what happened, the poor gal was tormented with "hate" mail, and was threatened with physical bodily harm, she asked ebay, what could she do, and they took action. So it was NOT a "hoax"....so no need to celebrate with the "I told ya so's".....this is what happens when you put your trust in amatuer's to do a pros, job.
Obviously a scam. Robert J. Fischer hated being called Bobby. He would never issue a book under that name.
Don't jump through hoops to make this even more absurd than it already is. Hate mail?! What a joke. Either a book never existed -- my vote -- or somebody wised up and decided selling copyrighted material wasn't such a bright idea. Anonymous auctions, email and postings from known hoaxers, nobody going on the record, etc.
Fischer was always called Bobby and issued several books under his name.
The Icelandic papers today had an article in which Fischer confidants said that he had nothing to do with this and was quite angry about it.
I find it curious that all these persons who claim this is NOT a hoax can't give us one piece of evidence or refute one argument with anything approaching logic. It's all "double-secret probation" type stuff, or I have a friend who knows this guy who once sat on a bus next to Fischer's sister, and HE says that he heard from his ex-wife's cousin's girlfriend's hairdresser that the book is real...
The evidence and arguments supporting the theory that this IS a hoax keep mounting, but no one on the other side of the argument can present anything...
Sure, we would all love to see something from Fischer other than filth and hate, but let's face it: It ain't gonna happen. Fischer WAS a great chess player...some would say the best ever, but those days are in the past.
A newspaper article by GM Larry Evans entitled WAS IT A HOAX? has been posted on rec.games.chess.politics
I distinguish the August Chess Life article as one that celebrated what was, rather than imagining how he was screwed over and wondering aloud how we can get him back.
The recent article was the magazine's best piece on Fischer in years, but I'd still rather read about Gata Kamsky any day. The fact that American chessplayers still fall over themselves to read about Fischer simply indicates that we are collectively living in the past.
Maybe we're living in the past, Brennan, or maybe we care about the only U.S. world champion that ever lived. (Hopefully Kamsky will change that)
Larry...do you have a link to that article? I get page not found. Thanks.
The header is FISCHER'S 61 MEMORABLE GAMES
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/browse_thread/thread/18cd6eed1a0b0851
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The Icelandic papers today had an article in which Fischer confidants said that he had nothing to do with this and was quite angry about it.
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Boy, I can see the headlines now!
FISCHER GETS ANGRY WITH CAUSE!
Thanks Larry. She said she'll drop them off at a mall parking lot with a sign saying Free Chess Books. Cynical Gripe said he lived nearby. Maybe he'll get lucky and be able to grab one for free.
I've been bugging the seller to get a book also. She finally caved in and agreed to a price! With any luck I'll let you guys know if interested.
"Thanks Larry. She said she'll drop them off at a mall parking lot with a sign saying Free Chess Books. Cynical Gripe said he lived nearby. Maybe he'll get lucky and be able to grab one for free."
-Posted by: Drew at December 19, 2007 23:28
Yea, there are not too many legit malls in Kanata either; only one large and another small one that I can remember (excluding strip malls - there are literally hundreds of those). Anyway, if these books actually exist and she wants to be rid of them anonymously, why not drop them on the steps of the public library? They'll take anything.
"I've been bugging the seller to get a book also. She finally caved in and agreed to a price! With any luck I'll let you guys know if interested."
-Posted by: tryin2get1 at December 20, 2007 00:04
If you're able to get one, please post about it. I'd be careful though, the whole thing seems very dubious at this point. Maybe you could demand a proper picture of the book.
This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess----
I have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this.
Well some trees were involved also, they supplied the way to create the paper. There's a saying about bacon and eggs. The chicken was "involved" but the pig was "committed", so who did what needs to be identified.
To CynicalGripe, Well if you're going to get some of these books....like the tune McCartney wrote for Badfinger, "you'd better hurry cause there going fast"...the seller just wrote me back today, and said 30 of the first 100 First Edition books, were sold off. The rest of the 65, will be sold today. So either the buyer is going to sit on these, or we're gonna see another auction...stay tuned....
After a few days of email chats I finally talked her into a meeting. Real nice, cute Asian girl of some kind. Soft spoken and very polite. Hardly what I would call a scammer. She showed me the packing slip sent C.O.D. from "Kobenhavn" which is Copenhagen, Denmark. She said she was asked to host the eBay auction only 2 weeks ago.
Anyway, the books are professionally done. I've got over 300 other chess books myself and I have to say the diagrams in this book are the most amazing I have ever seen. They are crisp and clear and larger than the little diagrams in other books. The figurine notation is unique also. The white pieces have white figurines and the black pieces have black figurines. I've never seen that anywhere either. You can almost play the games blindfold when you read such notation. Could this be another Fischer innovation, simple, and yet a vast improvement we have all overlooked for so long?
Anyway, I'm sitting tight just in case the whole thing is a mess of some sort. I was more interested in rescuing the books from the trash heap than anything else.
To Arthur, Thanks for posting your experience, yea tha gal is probably related to the mother of Bobby's child. It's a shame he got her involved, instead of a professional. I got en email from someone who claims they bought some of the books from her. She told me after today's, or really yesterday's sale, the rest are going in the trash, and her neighbor is going to help her. Such a waste. Her darn husband put his metal drill thru 5 of the books!!.....Poor Bobby, just never seems to do anything the right way.....
Whodunit?
http://tinyurl.com/35vv8f
Me and my friends bought 30 from her. Agree with Arthur she is a cute one! The book is amazing loaded with new remarks and analysis. Love the typeface, love the diagrams. Worth every penny.
Would somebody mind posting a couple of pictures of pages from the book? I had a friend in Ottawa who contacted the seller but he/she was adamant about not meeting face to face, so the comments about people meeting up to buy some copies just sounds a little dubious.
Just thought I'd ask her about it. She said she objected to someone coming over to her house and looking at the books, not meeting in person. We met in a parking lot somewhere.
I think I have a PDF copy of this book. The moves are notated in Portuguese in some instances. I found it with a popular file sharing program, so try your luck on those sites.
Gee, what a shock, "Marcus Froemm" "tryin2get1" "obsurvur" and "Arthur Killington" are all the same person. (Now standardized as "hoaxingfool".) Please keep in mind that identity theft and false claims can lead to fraud charges, especially when money is involved. A routine abuse report has been filed with your ISP to serve as background for any future abuse. Since I have no verifiable way to contact you, and in order to clarify, I'm referring to the person posting from a Comcast account based in or around Philadelphia. (That this whole thing reeks of that buffoon Ed Trice, and that he's based in Philly, is I'm sure a complete coincidence.)
Hoax until PROVEN otherwise, period. For anyone just dropping by, note that the same person posted everything claiming contact with the book and the seller. Bruce Towell has been optimistic but apparently only misguided, not malicious! I assume the "seller" he's been in contact with his the same person trolling here.
We've already heard, though not verified, that Fischer has nothing to do with any new book. Nor have we seen anything other than a bad photoshop image to suggest it really exists. Everything that has come out in defense of it has only made it sound more outlandish and absurd.
Just noticed the Larry Evans bit linked to by Parr above. All respect, but I really hope he's not getting paid to paste together my posts and the comments here without sourcing anything. Even "kerfuffle" made the jump.
Yep, it's Trice all right. See this page where Edward Labate publishes e-mail correspondence between himself and Trice detailing Trice's attempts to scam him: http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html
Thank you for the link, Tom. It made very entertaining reading. Trice certainly comes across as a slippery unfavourable character prone to lying (and lying badly at that).
EVANS LECTURE IN RENO
I heard that Larry Evans will be kicking off the Far West Open at the
Sands Regency Hotel Casino in Reno at 6pm on March 20. His lecture
deals with whether the new book attributed to Bobby Fischer is a hoax.
Apparently GM Evans has unearthed new information since writing his article
about this mystery in Chess Life Online.
http://tinyurl.com/2noyxp
Larry Parr, Can you contact me @ TOLL FREE 877.336.7021. I'm very surprised that Larry Evans hasn't contacted me yet regarding My 61 Memorable Games: ALSO, MUST READING:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html
Edward Labate
Larry Parr, Thank you for your assistance with GM Larry Evans. I've posted his upcoming lecture in Reno on my site. Please email me when you get a chance.
Edward Labate
"I'm very surprised that Larry Evans hasn't contacted me yet regarding My 61 Memorable Games"
I'm not surprised. Larry Evans has never been much on looking things up even if it just involves double-checking a book title to make sure he writes it correctly. He'd also prefers not to let facts get in the way of a good story. Why expect anything different now. Mind I could be wrong and perhaps he read Mr. Labate's webpages carefully taking notes as he went along, and simply felt things were clear enough that he didn't need to contact Mr. Labate directly.
Ed Trice causes mayhem wherever he goes, he just doesn't seem to be able to communicate with people without resorting to gross exaggeration and outright lying.
Here's a small example:
http://main.uschess.org/assets/msa_joomla/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
Trice's comment (posted on 25th July 2006):
"In 1989 I played in my last chess tournament, and with 2 wins, 3 draws, and 4 losses in the Under 2400 section, my rating hit bottom at 2207. I never played chess after this."
However, according to the USCF site, Edward A Trice has played many tournaments since 1989:
http://main.uschess.org/assets/msa_joomla/MbrDtlTnmtHst.php?12495284
So, is this 1383 rated player a different Edward A Trice? Or was the person who posted the comment on the American Checker Federation forum an impostor? Or, heaven forbid, is Trice bullsh**ing again?
Trice threatens to sue people whenever things turn against him and if Edward Labate had really made up all those e-mails on his site Trice would have him in court by now and Labate would be looking at a huge payment for slander / libel / defamation of character or whatever. The fact that this hasn't happened speaks volumes.
Sorry, my mistake. The first link in my post above should have been to the forum on the American Checker Federation. It is down just at the moment, but here is the Google cache of it: http://tinyurl.com/2ry5ln
"New in Chess, featuring a lengthy piece on Fischer's life in Iceland...
Thorinsson saying, though Ed Trice came to Iceland to discuss a gothic chess match, Fischer NEVER met him"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=54I8wqm2NeE
Oh My Goodness...are you telling me that Ed Trice lied??
Yet on chessgames.com he essentially calls Thorinsson a liar!! My money’s on Thorinsson telling the truth. If not, I guess there’s was a meeting with Ed Trice, Bobby Fischer, and the Limestone Sheriff!!!
ALSO, MUST READING:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html regarding the My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html regarding liar/fraud/conman/ Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
Did anyone attend Larry Evans lecture in Reno, Thursday March 20? Or see any references to his discussion anywhere on line.
I had a very nice conversation with Grandmaster Evans on Saturday, March 15, and was stunned to hear that he believes the book does exist. When I asked him if he had a copy, he said no, but he did have page 79. When I said I didn't care if he had 300 loose pages, I want to see copies of the book, and not just one book, but copies.
Apparently, the Canadian scammer told him she had just sold 100 copies for $10,000.00....OKAY, BANK DEPOSIT SLIP PLEASE??? I mentioned the Canadian scammer claim the books came from Denmark, okay so how about an 'International Bill of Laden Please'. Paid the shippers with a credit card...okay so how about a 'copy of your credit card statement showing the charges to a Danish shipping firm, which of course could then be verified online'...NOPE, it just seems that not only is it impossible to find the book, but it's also impossible to find shipping records, receiving records, cancelled checks, credit card statements, printing records, printing plates, manuscripts, contracts, signed power of attorney. In fact, there's not a DAMN verifiable piece of evidence suggesting that anything was every printed excepted a lot of air!!!
NOW...I've made many mistakes in my lifetime, with many more yet to come, but will once again go on record and state that 'My 61 Memorable Games' was never printed, and that the whole thing was a scam by Ed Thrice/Gothic Chess. I have a standing offer of $1,000.00 for one copy of this book...just one...of course, I wish to make my selection out of a stack of them, and will record this 'historic purchase' and post it on my website. In the meantime, I'll keep my focus on the inevitable Labate vs. Trice lawsuit.
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html regarding the My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html regarding liar/fraud/conman/ Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
My 61 Memorable Games Hoax: Just received a phone call before 10:00am/8:00amPST from Larry Evans. We talked for about five minutes regarding his lecture on Thursday, March 20, at the opening of the Far Western Open. http://main.uschess.org/assets/msa_joomla/tla/yState.php?st=NV.
I only have the time to give outline of conversation, which of course can be confirmed by people who attended the lecture: GM Evans believes there is no book!!! It may exist on someone's computer, but that's all he believes. And...Bobby DIDN'T write it, but someone with Fritz went through and did do a lot of work, but all with the purpose of scamming the chess public.
After three months of dealing with the Canadian scammer (Which he now believes is the accurate term for the Liar who has strung him along for three months), in which he was able to get her and her husband two nights free hotel in Reno, she once again, came up with an excuse of why she wouldn't be able to meet with him. GM Evans stated after three months of promises, assurances, guarantees, etc. of sending him a book, that's it, he's through with this person!!
He also stated that the 'cryptic' message he 'received' from Bobby that he initially reported on in ChessLife Online was also bogus, which he suspected immediately, but 'played' along, hoping to gather more information.
Regarding Bobby's financial dilemma...NON-EXISTENT, Bobby had plenty of $$$. If he didn't, what are people fighting over now, if he reakkt didn't have $$$ and needed to publish the book?? Bobby didn't need to publish My 61 Memorable Games, and according to Gudmundur G. Thórarinsson, under no circumstances did he want a new book in Figurine Algebraic Notation, but would have only wanted English Descriptive Notation. That's it for now...I have an Easter Morning engagement that I'm already a half hour late on, but wanted to write this down while it was still fresh in my mind. If there's grammatical errors in this message, I'll clean it up later.
Please feel free to contact me with updates from the Reno weekend, labatechess@sbcglobal.net
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html regarding the My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html regarding liar/fraud/conman/ Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.htmlm regarding admitted pedophile Robert Snyder
http://www.labatechess.com/f_list.html regarding Lying Blackmailer Olaf Wolna
More Ed Trice buffoonery here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54078&page=5
I don't know what the average size of a chess tournament in America is, but in the UK anything over 100 entries is pretty successful. In the above thread Trice claims that he had over 4000 entries for his college scholarship Gothic Chess tournament in 2005. If he had claimed 400 I would have been astonished, but 4000?
Googling "Ed Trice" is always fun, whatever forum he is in, be it American Checkers, Brainking.com, redhotpawn.com or whatever, he manages to start an argument.
I had to laugh recently when Jason Repa started posted messages on the Gothic Chess forum - The Irresistible Moron meets the Immoveable Buffoon. It was fun while it lasted.
SO ED TRICE, I MADE IT ALL UP, EH????
EMAIL FROM CATHY PURDY, BOOKMASTERS
---- Original Message -----
From: Cathy Purdy
To: Edward Labate
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Chess Tactics For Advanced Players
Good Day Ed, The estimate should be emailed to you by the end of the day.
Yes, the emails between Ed Trice and myself are for real and yes, I spoke with Ed a few times, in reference to when he would be ready to go to press.
Thanks, Cathy
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Labate
To: cpurdy@bookmasters.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:48 PM
Subject: Chess Tactics For Advanced Players
Hello,
Thank you so much for your time last week!! As soon as you can get me a quote about Chess Tactics For Advanced Players, I'd be appreciative.
Another note, just so I'm clear. The emails are real between you and Ed Trice, regarding Bookmasters printing My 61 Memorable Games???
And furthermore, you spoke once to Ed Trice, or on several occaisions about My 61 Memorable Games???
Looking forward to working with you. If Lou Hayes likes you, I know you're a good person!!
Warmly,
Edward Labate
***************************
Additionally, when I’m involved in a project, I advertise…it gets chessplayers talking with each other, and of course, will result in more sales!!!
... Yes that is correct, I will be reprinting CHESS TACTICS FOR ADVANCED PLAYERS by Yuri Averbakh for $24.98. Depending on what the quote comes back at, I'm hoping to start printing no later than May 1, 2008. I'm not a 'millionaire' like Ed Trice, maybe more of a THOUSANDAIRE (okay...slight embellishment!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Labate
To: Cathy Purdy
Cc: GothicChessInfo@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: I own ZERO rights to Bobby Fischer's book, My 60 Memorable Games. I own the rights to CHESS DIGEST
Hello Cathy,
I'm not sure how you inferred that somehow, someway, I own or have an interest in My 61 Memorable Games.
I own ZERO rights to Bobby Fischer's book, My 61 Memorable Games. I own CHESS DIGEST, and therefore, I have the rights to CHESS TACTICS FOR ADVANCED PLAYERS.and any other Chess Digest title I wish to reprint... http://www.labatechess.com/blog.html
To repeat, I have ZERO rights to My 61 Memorable Games. I was just a very eager chessbook seller, excited about this new book when Ed Trice contacted me about it...in fact, the same day your responded to him...August 16, 2007. I think you should be asking Ed Trice for proof that he owns the rights to My 61 Memorable Games, and if he doesn't, why was he wasting your time.
Edward Labate
ALSO, MUST READING::
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
----- Original Message -----
From: Cathy Purdy
To: Edward Labate
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:39 AM
Subject: My 61 Memorable Games
Good Morning Edward, It has been brought to my attention, that we (BookMasters) need proof, that Ed Trice does not have permission to print the book, "My 61 Memorable Games". We need to know in writing that you own all rights to the book, "My 61 Memorable Games" and the book cannot be printed through Ed Trice. BookMasters will not be involved with a legal matter between you, Edward and Ed Trice.
Thanks,
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Hi Tom re your comment
"I had to laugh recently when Jason Repa started posted messages on the Gothic Chess forum - The Irresistible Moron meets the Immoveable Buffoon. It was fun while it lasted."
Is Jason Repa the Moron or Buffoon? Please tell me more!
Labate ain't a saint:
http://www.chesscircle.net/forums/games-analysis/34259-ripped-off-by-rainier-rickford.html
"Another person I would not recommend dealing with is Ed Labate, who recently reopened a chess business in California. Richard Reich"
No Paul Wood, I'm not a saint, and neither are you!! Saints don't bad mouth people, or throw out allegations without having their facts to back them up - only low life, lying, scumbags speak without facts or evidence!!
I don't even know who Richard Reich is, or what I have alleged to have done. But this isn't a surprise now, is it. The internet is full of faceless, gutless slime slinging false charges all over the net...let me guess 'Paul Wood'...you don't have any facts either...just heresay, or more likely, your malicious, spineless, slithering, slimey, ill will imagination.
No Paul Wood, I'm not a saint...but at least I try to live every day as honourably as I can, not making false statements or attacking people falsely, and not taking money for products not rendered!! And in almost 100% of the chess population, I'm exceedingly honourable and decent, driven by the constant desire to always, always do what's right and decent: for example; just take a look at my last 100 feedbacks on ebay -
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=AllFeedback&userid=labatechess&iid=-1&de=off&items=100
Not satisfied??? Okay, Paul Wood, look all 7800 positives and 100% feedback rating - What's your counter to this, 'PAUL WOOD'???
Thank you so much for your time in reading this!!
WE'RE NOW ON AMAZON.COM WITH OVER 1400 CHESS Books UP.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/index.html?ie=UTF8&sellerID=AOUP88XKBOW55
P.S. newest website listings
http://www.labatechess.com/store/
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html RE: Convicted Felon/Pedophile, Robert Snyder
http://www.labatechess.com/f_list.html RE: Lying Blackmailer Olaf Wolna
I'm not a saint either, but I've been doing business with Edward Labate for over 25 years (in fact I received an order from him today). I've bought hundreds of books from him over the span of over two decades, and his service is always as good OR BETTER than advertised. His Ebay rating speaks for itself.
Fishy! If you ask me don't trust all these people. The Labate guy strikes me as a bit unstable. Not sure if I'd get out of his shop alive if I asked him for a refund.
We didn't ask you 'Matt'?? 'Fishy' eh?? That's what you said about the Fischer book. Facts and evidence strike you as a bit unstable?? Another, deep, soulful post by Ed Trice!!!
'Matt', 'Mark', 'Paul Wood', and various other Ed Trice aliases; All of these clowns have three things in common:
1] They never ever say anthing postive about Ed Trice;
2] They always attack me, but always with opinions and heresay, since the facts would destroy their positions;
3] All of them are always faceless, gutless, slimey, sleazy, slinging false charges all over the net.
This latest idiot 'Matt' doesn't even know that I don't have a shop, and wouldn't want one. Strictly an internet guy with 90% of my payments coming through PAYPAL, aka, BUYER PROTECTION included with every purchase...you don't like what you bought?? I don't need a reason, send it back, you get your $$$ back...I don't have time for creative reasons...I can sell it to someone else!! You didn't know that, did you Ed, er...ahh...I mean 'Matt'.
WE'RE NOW ON AMAZON.COM WITH OVER 1400 CHESS Books UP.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/index.html?ie=UTF8&sellerID=AOUP88XKBOW55
P.S. newest website listings
http://www.labatechess.com/store/
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html RE: Convicted Felon/Pedophile, Robert Snyder
http://www.labatechess.com/f_list.html RE: Lying Blackmailer Olaf Wolna
Matt, my name is Phil Irwin. I've never met Labate in person, but I've bought and sold to him on Ebay over the years. He's always done well by me. The guy he's feuding with seems like an attention seeking clown. We all have to make our own judgement on guys like this, I suggest you look at Labate's record on Ebay and on the USCF website which has records of many years of tournaments he's directed. He's a venerable chess figure in the U.S.
This Labate dude has been spamming his filth here for quite some time now. He even calls me an Ed Trice alias (I'm a regular poster here on the real Forum). The finger pointing and the unjustified paranoia makes me wonder just how stable this guy is. In my opinion Lebate is probably just as bad as Trice.
Seriously, what positive can I say about a man who I have only seen making vile accusations on the internet?
I did check out the shop/books. Just old crap nobody needs. I wouldn't buy from either of these guys.
Since some of these posters are questioning Ed Labate's character (with our course absolutely no back-up...), I just felt I had to weigh in and second what whiskyrebel and Chuck have said.
I've been dealing with Ed on eBay for about eight years and have found him to be as good a seller as there is, period. Based on my experience and what I know of his recored of service to chess, trying to question his character vis-a-vis the others involved in the whole charade is simply ludicrous.
BTW, I did read through all the linked material (undoubtedly I have too much time on my hands...), and it seems crystal clear what was going on. My only impression of "fault" on Ed's was that he was getting a little angry and frustrated dealing with the cast of characters pushing the "book", and can't criticize him for "not suffering fools gladly." I think he tried to do waht he could to get to the bottom of the matter, there just wasn't one...
His reactions on Trice, however justified, cannot talk right the way he is behaving right now. IMO try being a rational & sane human being here, don't try to complete destroy the person Trice. You certainly didn't win the beauty contest with your actions.
Labate >> Trice on any scale you care to come up with.
That being said, this thread only serves to illustrate what I've said before and will say again: American chess has an unhealthy obsession with all real or imagined activities of Fischer. This obsession has lasted far too long and well after the man proved himself insane.
He's dead. Let him stay dead and send some money to Gata.
"This Labate dude has been spamming his filth here for quite some time now." I'm not spamming filth...I reporting the truth with a mountain of evidence!! Yet, you do the very same thing you accuse me of, yet you have ZERO foundation for comments...ZERO!!!
'Matt' and 'Paul Wood' and 'James' and 'Mark', all one name gutless, spineless aliases for Ed Trice!! They all have the same writing style, same phrases, same attack techniques...doesnt' take Columbo to figure out Ed Trice is all of them.
"He even calls me an Ed Trice alias (I'm a regular poster here on the real Forum)." Of course you...you'll note: Chessplayers coming to my defence always admit who they are with full names. 'Matt' and 'Paul Wood' and 'James' and 'Mark' are all one name clowns ashamed to admit who they are, Ed Trice!!
"The finger pointing and the unjustified paranoia makes me wonder just how stable this guy is." Stating facts for the whole world to see with a mountain of evidence doesn't get more stable!! What do you call claims of emails and conversations with Bobby Fischer, Amazon, and various others 'personalities'???
"In my opinion Lebate is probably just as bad as Trice." I've got 100% postive feedback, a 32 years history in chess, have achievd mastery in Chess, and Ed Trice is a 1300 player, tried to take advantage of a dying man, and scamed the chess world. On what bleeping planet would those actions be equal??? I'm in the service/product business, and Ed Trice is in the FRAUD business!! I use my own money to run my business, and Ed Trice BEGS people for $$ to run another run of his scams!!
"Seriously, what positive can I say about a man who I have only seen making vile accusations on the internet?" They are not accusations, they are documented statements. What can't you understand that if it's true, it's not a vile accusation???
"I did check out the shop/books. Just old crap nobody needs." Informant 100, and host of chess books published in 2007 and 2008 is 'old crap nobody needs'?? It's comments like these that are vintage Trice. Nobody needs chess or GothicCrap, or baseball, or TV or many other things. It's what we enjoy, and therefore how we wish to spend our discretionary income. It's not for 'Mark' Trice to determine what anybody needs!!
"I wouldn't buy from either of these guys." Then don't, but who are you to tell others what they should do??
"His reactions on Trice, however justified, cannot talk right the way he is behaving right now." I don't even know what they hell you're trying to say here, Ed Trice.
"IMO try being a rational & sane human being here, don't try to complete destroy the person Trice." Why not??? What positive attributes does this conman/fraud have??? And this is nothing compared to what's going to happen to him in depositions and discoveries. Ed Trice needs to slither back under the rock for good!!
"You certainly didn't win the beauty contest with your actions." I'm trying to win the TRUTH contest, the only contest of any value on the internet and it looks like I'm kicking ass here!!! And look at this post from another Ed Trice alias:
"This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess---- I have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this.Posted by: James at December 20, 2007 08:17"
Ed Trice is cursed with the worst fault a liar can have...a BAD MEMORY...he forgets what he writes and refutes himself!!
He first claims that he has proof that Bobby Fischer was involved, but we've never seen it, and then claims I was behind the whole My 61 Memorable Games Hoax. Which one is it Ed Trice, and this time with supporting documentation??
As I said before:
'Matt', 'Mark', 'Paul Wood', and various other Ed Trice aliases; All of these clowns have three things in common:
1] They never ever say anthing postive about Ed Trice;
2] They always attack me, but always with opinions and heresay, never, ever with facts, evidence, tangible proof;
3] All of them are always faceless, gutless, slimey, sleazy, lowlifes slinging false charges all over the net.
WE'RE NOW ON AMAZON.COM WITH OVER 1400 CHESS Books UP.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/index.html?ie=UTF8&sellerID=AOUP88XKBOW55
P.S. newest website listings
http://www.labatechess.com/store/
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
http://www.labatechess.com/robert_snyder.html RE: Convicted Felon/Pedophile, Robert Snyder
http://www.labatechess.com/f_list.html RE: Lying Blackmailer Olaf Wolna
Matt here, reporting from The Netherlands
Like I said mr Labate, paranoia is seriously affecting your judgement. Blind rage is all there is in your posts. My point was that your accusations should be taken to a court or filed to the right instances. You have no right in taking a man (I even said however justified) down who you think is a fraud. If I were Ed Trice I WOULD sue you for slander!!
Your slandering of the person trice has no place here. You can suffice with presenting the facts letting the public decide whether you have a strong case or not. There is really no need to resort to namecalling and foul words. It only shows just how pissed off you really are and doesn't say anything about the case.
Your little chesstore has some new books, true, but when I see old books like 'the complete' or a Caro Kann book by suetin I can only rofl and say: Crap shop, worthless books.
My advice to you is this:
- File your complaints to the right instances
- Keep your posts polite, presenting your case
- Do not succumb to dirt throwing yourself. There is no honor in that.
- Calm down before accusing everyone, including me (lol!) as being Ed Trice just because we disagree with the tone of your posts.
Matt, 2282, Netherlands
o0o0o and please stop linking this commercials, MIG should say something about that. It's annoying to see the same sig after every post (also takes a lot of space).
> If I were Ed Trice I WOULD sue you for slander!!
Whenever Trice get's into an online argument with someone (which is often) he threatens them with court action. If what Edward Labate has written on his website wasn't true then it would be the most outrageous case of libel (libel = written, slander = spoken) I've ever seen. However Trice does not sue, and do you know why? Because it's all true!
I'm sorry you're fed up with this subject Matt, though if this is the case I have to wonder why you keep revisiting a Daily Dirt article which is over four months old, but a lot of us find Trice repulsive and will do all we can to drive him away from the sport we love.
" If I were Ed Trice I WOULD sue you for slander!!" Except Ed Trice wouldn't survive the depositions and discoveries, or on the stand! Ed Trice threatens to sue everyone, yet who has he sued?? I am hoping to file a Libel/Slander suit against Ed Trice this year. Finding a lawyer when you're not a wealthy man, makes it very tough.
Slander suggest what I say is FALSE, and we both know that everything I post is factual. The only opinions that I post are that Ed Trice is a liar/conman/fraud/, and those are based upon my own personal dealings with the man, and the lies that he has posted about me.
You've never ever had any personal dealings with me, yet look at what you've posted about me:
"Labate ain't a saint." And you are????
"Fishy! If you ask me don't trust all these people." Why??? What info do you have that suggests these people aren't trustworthy???
"The Labate guy strikes me as a bit unstable." Based on what...Factual postings???
"Not sure if I'd get out of his shop alive if I asked him for a refund." What information do you have that suggests your physical safety is threatened if you should request a refund???
"In my opinion Lebate is probably just as bad as Trice." What evidence do you possess that confirms that I ask people for large amounts of money for a hairbrain project and am collecting money for it, make claims about events with 4000 entries, and have conversation with Legends that no one else can validate???
"paranoia is seriously affecting your judgement." I'm not paranoid you buffoon, I'm ANGRY...I'm PISSED...and I want RECOMPENSE for what Ed Trice did, written and claimed.
"Keep your posts polite, presenting your case." Oh yea, like you???
"Do not succumb to dirt throwing yourself. There is no honor in that." Oh yea, like you??? When did Ed Trice start believing in honor?????
"Calm down before accusing everyone, including me (lol!) as being Ed Trice just because we disagree with the tone of your posts." I'll calm down when I get a verdict from the jury!!!
More Ed Trice buffoonery here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54078&page=5
Hey 'Matt', no comments on this, posted above on December 20?!?!
"This is Ed Trice of Gothic Chess---- I have alot of evidence which suggests that he was involved in this. Posted by: James at December 20, 2007 08:17"
Ed Trice is cursed with the worst fault a liar can have...a BAD MEMORY...he forgets what he writes and refutes himself!!
He first claims that he has proof that Bobby Fischer was involved, but we've never seen it, and then claims I was behind the whole My 61 Memorable Games Hoax.
Which one is it Ed Trice, and this time with supporting documentation??
Edward Labate...if this is the same Matt that posts over on the message boards, you can ignore him for he is just a troll. He's admitted as much and has also admitted he doesn't believe in niceties like politeness but prefers instead to be rude and confrontational because it makes things "more interesting".
Apparently he has also admitted to cheating at computer chess because everyone does it, and boasts of not being confined to a small box by mere things like moral considerations (e.g. truth). I missed that particular post but saw some discussion on it later. He's not Edward Trice but I can understand how you might think he is.
"Edward Labate...if this is the same Matt that posts over on the message boards, you can ignore him for he is just a troll.
Posted by: Drew at April 8, 2008 19:37 "
Thank you Drew, it'll save me time. Contrary to what some may think, I detest having to respond to attacks, since today alone I missed getting three parcels out because my blood was boiling on these latest post by 'Matt'...especially the ones with the 'DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO' instructions!!
I'll be damned if 'vulgar' clowns are going to attack me without one shred of evidence. As I've already stated above;
'Matt', 'Mark', 'Paul Wood', 'James' and various other Ed Trice aliases; All of these clowns have three things in common:
1] They never ever say anything positive about Ed Trice; NOTICE: not one person has yet to comment on the moral fiber of Ed Trice...no one wants to look THAT stupid!!
2] They always attack me, but always with opinions and hearsay, never, ever with facts, evidence, tangible proof;
3] All of them are always faceless, gutless, slimy, sleazy, lowlifes slinging false charges all over the net, never, ever with facts, evidence, tangible proof;
You'll note: I don't post anonymously, I always sign my name...I made the mistake of picking a nickname on chessgroups.com, and got slammed for the name. So I shut down that name and labatechess and not only post as Edward Labate or not at all!!
Thanks again for taking the time to share, Drew. Feel free to contact me via my website...I do appreciate the outpouring of support I have been getting and am deeply moved. I promise all of you that I will never, ever betray your trust and loyalty in me...ever!!
"More Ed Trice buffoonery here:" http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54078&page=5
If it's not proven then it's slander. One can't call mr Jackson a pedophile and neither can you call O.J. Simpson a murderer. You have no right in trying to destroy a man here.
I'm sure you have every right to be mad here, but keep in mind that raving on and on about it doesn't portrait you as the most stabile person. Accusing everyone who doesn't agree with you as being an Ed Trice alias looks a little paranoia.
'Matt'... It's America...I sure as hell have the right to FREE SPEECH!! If it's false I would have been sued already!!
Why are you defending Ed Trice so strongly?? The very fact that I haven't been sued for libel (slander is the written word - we've been a little loose about that!), already suggest that it ISN'T libel, but the truth!!
I'm looking to sue Ed Trice as soon as I can afford an attorney or find one that is willing to work on a contingency.
Additionally, you keep referring to me as unstable and paranoid, yet Ed Trice is the one have imaginery phone calls, imaginary 4000+ player events, imaginery meetings, imaginery friends, imaginery manuscripts, imaginery publishing deadlines, imaginery, etc., etc., etc.
I deal 100% in reality!! I'm not paranoid or unbalanced, but you are grossly DISINGENIOUS with your posts. You still keep attacking me in every post, but haven't utter one positive thing about 'your boy Trice'... not that you could!!
And the only reason I still keep posting is because I have to respond to your MORONIC posts. As I've already said, you've never ever say anything positive about Ed Trice; NOTICE: not one other person has yet to comment on the moral fiber of Ed Trice...no one wants to look THAT stupid!! I GUESS IT'S UP TO YOU!!!!
"More Ed Trice buffoonery here:"
http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=54078&page=5
You got my reaction wrong. I;m not defending Ed Trice here. I'm telling you that there is another way to express yourself. There is really no need for such ungentleman-like behaviour.
Grab a hold on yourself man, don't let Ed Trice get you a heart attack. Calmly explain yourself without succumbing to the human need for revenge.
Like I said, unless you can do that you are nothing more then an unbalanced and intelectually underdevelloped person. And I avoid such compamy in real life; there are bette ways to spend my time.
Do you even read your own emails???
"You got my reaction wrong....I'm telling you that there is another way to express yourself. There is really no need for such ungentleman-like behaviour."
Are you joking??? Out of nowhere, you made the following comments about me, even though you've never ever had any personal dealings with me, assuming you're not Ed Trice:
"Labate ain't a saint."
"Fishy! If you ask me don't trust all these people."
"The Labate guy strikes me as a bit unstable."
"Not sure if I'd get out of his shop alive if I asked him for a refund."
"In my opinion Lebate is probably just as bad as Trice."
"paranoia is seriously affecting your judgement."
Tell you what Palm, when your name is libeled all over the Internet and that is your sole source of revenue, and you're accused of masterminding a scam on history's greatest chessplayer, and the world of chess, then you can tell me how to 'behave'... until then, you can shove your opinions, and your unrequested diagnosis!!
This was my final response to you...I've already wasted too much time responding to your idiocy!!
More Ed Trice buffoonery here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/
ALSO, MUST READING / Please forward as a warning and Public Service Announcement/PSA to all you know:
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games.html RE: My 61 Memorable Games Hoax
http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice.html RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
I said u have every right to be upset here and you are most probably right about Ed Trice anyway. But u need not use the strong and foul language you use. It's really not a case of I scream very loud so I am more right then you are.
And Fischer was a sucky player who was really scared of losing games. Sure he played some great games, but he always avoided being the victim of great games. In that respect Korchnoi, Kasparov and Karpov should be considered the better players.
"But u need not use the strong and foul language you use. It's really not a case of I scream very loud so I am more right then you are." and "There is really no need for such ungentleman-like behaviour."
Are you the same Matt from the message boards then? The Matt who uses strong and foul language himself and who isn't known for being a gentleman...often far from it. He claims he's Matthieu Freeke from the Netherlands too but apparently that Matt doesn't follow the advice given by this Matt. Is that Deep fellow right about message board Matt after all--i.e. message board Matt is an impostor who's taken the identify of the real Matthieu Freeke? You may want to look into that.
If you're the same Matt though then I hate to tell you but you have a multiple personality disorder...either that or you're trolling again. :-)
From the Message Board Matt in this thread http://www.chessninja.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000385;p=1#000011: "Yes it's trolling! Can anyone reply with: 'Stop your schitzofrenic ramblings Matt'?"
Ok...Stop your schitzofrenic ramblings Matt.
I have filed a complaint with the FBI for internet fraud against Ed Trice. Doing so falsely will land me in prison. It's time to end this once and for all, and this should do it ...
ONE OF US IS GOING TO PRISON!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Labate
To: phcybercrime@fbi.gov
Cc: birmingham@ic.fbi.gov ;
Philadelphia.Complaints@ic.fbi.gov ;
GothicChessInfo@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:14 PM
Subject: INTERNET FRAUD: In August 2007, I was contacted by Ed Trice of Philadelphia proposing to purchase...
Dear Sirs:
In August 2007, I was contacted by Ed Trice offering me the opportunity to purchase copies of a book he was allegedly printing,
My 61 Memorable Games by Bobby Fischer. Here's all the details and correspondence.
http://www.labatechess.com/61_games... RE: My 61 Memorable Games Hoax http://www.labatechess.com/ed_trice... RE: 'PHILLY PHRAUD', Ed Trice/Gothic Chess
I am prepared to bring my computer to your office and you may search the harddrive and validate all correspondence between Mr. Trice and myself.
I am emailing this to you with the complete understanding that it is a federal offense to file a false claim with a law enforcement agency, and that doing so will subject me to imprisonment and fines.
Edward Labate
P.O. Box 1404
Athens,AL. 35612
256.829.2298
Since when do I have to follow my own advice? My advice was aimed at your situation.
A simple example: I advise you to stop drinking because your liver can't take it anymore; I myself keep drinking because my liver is fine.
Even if I was an imposter, how does that affect the validity of my posts? Weren't your words rude and harsh? Wasn't that hurting your case?
P.s I am an imposter, but don't tell Deep that. Im planning on another name next week. How about Ed Trice? I hope you are confused now.
I don't want to attract chants of "monkey poo", but Labate has just been proven right on one of his claims above: that Larry Evans reversed himself and labeled "My 61 Memorable Games" a hoax. See http://main.uschess.org/content/view/8333/446
In brief, Evans, who initially published stories saying he believed the book was real and that Fischer at least initially was involved in the project, now writes that:
1. the alleged book was never printed,
2. Fischer "had nothing to do with it," and 3. "Helgi" - a name that cropped up in earlier stories as a supposed go-between and who Evans had thought to be Icelandic GM Helgi Olaffson - "was an invented name who simply doesn't exist either."
Matt, rude and harsh make for interesting conversation...just trying to liven things up :-> (for DD readers, this is the same response Matt gave when someone asked him why he is so rude in so many posts...LOL...he also castigates U.S. people for being hypocritical and saying one thing but doing the opposite. Is Matt vying for U.S. citizenship then seeing as how he says one thing but does another?
By the way, you'll need another 5 or so decades of experience before you can confuse me, young fella, and I'll probably be 4.8 decades long gone by then. Deep, on the other hand, has me confused most of the time...try being more like him. ;-)
(Nice analogy with the alcohol and liver. The analogy is flawed and doesn't work though but you probably know that by now).
Hmm. Matt is a pretty well known troll around here so Mr Labate's immediate assumption that Matt is this Ed Trice character surely seems a bit paranoid?
Slander, roughly, is the spoken word.
The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel(harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action. (Wikipedia)
I wouldn't want to live in the U.S. for whatever sum of money offered. This may sound strange; but quality of life doesn't entail having 3 jobs to pay the rent. I'd rather live in a country with a proper social security/healthcare.
Drew l2raid posts imo. I gave ANOTHER person advice and I also stated that this advice isn't applicable on myself as Labate and my position are completely different. Surely I don't have to to Chemo just because I advise a cancerpatient to have it?
That ain't hypocrisy, gtfo and g2school to learn some english (America's educational system sux for the poor ppl apparently)...
That's the spirit, Matt...garbled with funny symbols and strange leaps of (il)logic. You almost sound like Deep himself. Glad you took my advice.
Drew and Matt,
Isn't there a troller code of conduct for this? It doesn't look right when trollers troll each other. Actually it looks ridiculous.
Dave
Guilty as charged, Dave (No, I lied. Two posts needling Matt and half of a third is not exactly trolling. Feel free to rebut though. That'll take you to 2 posts and you can then include your name with our illustrious company in your 05:11 post above).
I just wanted to poke Matt's buttons till he relapsed back to his usual gibberish bigoted self. His initial posts made him sound reasonable and rational. I guessed if I annoyed him he'd revert to form. Now that he has done so, I'm finished here.
My apologies for subjecting the rest of you DD folks to my little game. I had fun. I'm old and easily amused. Takes the mind off other things. Sorry if you didn't have fun, but that's your problem, not mine, even if I was the cause. :->c]
It was kinda obvious, that's why I made my alter ego Dave post this. I guess you would never plea guilty to Matt.
You boys seem to have as much fun off the board as you do at the board :)
Just a couple of questions;
Is Matt an Australian?
If Yes, does Matt live in NSW?
If the answer to both is yes, then you boys are in real trouble :)
Here is a message that Trice posted on chessgames.com prior to the eBay auction in December 2007:
"Ed Trice: Not only is that old news, he is doing much better. Furthermore, his new book is being printed right now. A new email address can reach the man in direct contact with him regarding resellers who wish to order it. This is for people who will order 100 or more copies of it at a time for resale. If some of you want to "ask the man" anything, coming directly from him himself, get on this list. Maybe if you order 10 books at a discount and get 9 other people to do the same, one of you can collect the order money and make a reseller purchase of 100 books. For all serious inquires, send an email to GothicChessInfo@aol.com and I will help move this along. NOTE: All I did was hook Fischer up with a reliable printer, I don't have the book, I don't have access to the book, I just helped him out when everyone else turned their backs on him."
Heh! Drew broke Matt in half.
Phil...this Matt's a Netherlander. Down under has its own problems with another Matt and his opponent, Kevin. They're both far more literate than the on-top Matt, great entertaining reading when they're bickering and insulting each other. They're more alike than they'll ever admit if only in their levels of emotional maturity and over-compensating posts.
For those who enjoy intrigue...
http://my61memorablegames.wordpress.com/
http://veryrarebooks.blogspot.com/2008/11/my-61-memorable-games.html
...Now you can finally see photographs of what on the face of it looks like a "61" book. Front cover, back cover, many inner pages, including its color-encoding FAN notation.
Looks like someone decided to end the charade.
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Sorry,
I was pasting the wordpress link and I though adding it to the URL slot would put it on this page... it didn't.
Having problems with an internet stalker and internet bully. This might be him below. Lets all teach him a lesson he will never forget and ban him from everything. stores, chess tournaments, schools, libraries, parks, and all internet sites.
Jason MAtthew Repa
(204) 475-5738
This number is a landline based in Winnipeg, MB and is unpublished.
City: Winnipeg State: Manitoba Carrier: MTS Communications Inc
Possible Address
391 Gertrude Ave, Ste 306
Winnipeg, MB R3L 0M5
Manitoba, canada
Kildonan East Regonial Secondary School
Winnipeg, MB
Class of 1988
Other possible past known Phone Numbers(204) 453-1696 or
(204) 952-9521.
Possible relationship with Jennifer Greaves at same address above
Current Internet Accounts
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Chesscirlce.net
123people.com
whitepages.com
google searched
facebook - several accounts
fics.com
ficscg.com
Legal Criminal and Civil complaints http://www.jus.gov.mb.ca/
WELLS FARGO FINANCIAL CORPORATION CANADA, won case against in in year 2005 becuase he failed to appear in court and a judgement was entered against him in the amount of 1,639.63
PROV COURT ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS 408 YORK CRUELTY TO ANIMALS Convicted and sentences by KENNEDY J GRANTED 4 MOS. COND. SENTENCE`2 YER SUPERVISED PROBATION 28-nov-1997
MANITOBA PUBLIC INSURANCE COR*, judgment against Jason Repa,$3189.25 5-dec-1989
MANITOBA PUBLIC INSURANCE COR*, judgment against Jason Repa,$1062.36 01-june-1989
Protection Order 25-November 2003
The other reason why I post all the information is that he will not stop unless we all stand up to him together.
I have contacted both the Local police and the Canadian police and they both say unless the conversation is recorded
legally and he makes those threats then can they do something. But Jason Repa feels he's above and beyond the law.
Well Public policy is just as good here folks. All we need to do is ignore him forever.
This guy Jason Repa is a known stalker and is being searched by multiple people and groups for his threatening phone calls and internet stalking.
Jason MAtthew Repa
(204) 475-5738
This number is a landline based in Winnipeg, MB and is unpublished.
City: Winnipeg State: Manitoba Carrier: MTS Communications Inc
Possible Address
391 Gertrude Ave, Ste 306
Winnipeg, MB R3L 0M5
Manitoba, canada
Kildonan East Regonial Secondary School
Winnipeg, MB
Class of 1988
Other possible past known Phone Numbers(204) 453-1696 or
(204) 952-9521.
Possible relationship with Jennifer Greaves at same address above
Current Internet Accounts
-----------------------
Chesscirlce.net
123people.com
whitepages.com
google searched
facebook - several accounts
fics.com
ficscg.com
He Was Adopted
He has Terets
He has personality conflict disorder
Legal Criminal and Civil complaints http://www.jus.gov.mb.ca/
WELLS FARGO FINANCIAL CORPORATION CANADA, won case against in in year 2005 becuase he failed to appear in court and a judgement was entered against him in the amount of 1,639.63
PROV COURT ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS 408 YORK CRUELTY TO ANIMALS Convicted and sentences by KENNEDY J GRANTED 4 MOS. COND. SENTENCE`2 YER SUPERVISED PROBATION 28-nov-1997
MANITOBA PUBLIC INSURANCE COR*, judgment against Jason Repa,$3189.25 5-dec-1989
MANITOBA PUBLIC INSURANCE COR*, judgment against Jason Repa,$1062.36 01-june-1989
Protection Order 25-November 2003
As you can see he has an anger issue and abuses animals. He is wanted by lawyers in new zealand for his threatening acts and is currently being served by multiple individuals. All the information here is freely available on the internet. Except for the fact that he has called my house over 25 times even at 1:30 in the morning and 5:40 in the morning. I have a call log that I would be happy to screen shot for you if anyone would liek proof of this. Please bann him for all your sites and blogs as this is the only way we can stop bullies from getting the best of us and instead have real conversations with level headed and stable individuals.
The other reason why I post all the information is that he will not stop unless we all stand up to him together.
I have contacted both the Local police and the Canadian police and they both say unless the conversation is recorded
legally and he makes those threats then nothing can be done. But Jason Repa feels he's above and beyond the law.
Well public policy is just as good here folks. All we need to do is ignore him forever. I have now given you the tools to your self help against this bully. and Again you already know Jason since i have talked with you on the phone trying to help you that I am not Bruce Davis. So again you are proven wrong. funny how everyone keeps kicking you off of all the websites you post too since 1998. Maybe you should just chill out before you make even more mistakes in life and end up in jail or something. That is no place for anyone to be proud of visiting nevermind living. As you can see below everyone, jason has been in jail for animal abuse.Guess we got a Michael Vick on our hands here and who would want him as a friend o your pets?
I've recently become a victim of this infamous Jason Repa. I sincerely hope you've posted accurate information as my lawyer would like to track him down. Just beware! He has gone beyond simply posting comments about me, he has posted vicious libel that could cost me my job, and WILL cost me lawyer fees and such to have the content of his postings pulled down from the internet. Additionally, he has made threatening phone calls to my job and to my home.
Oh Myyyyyyyyyyyy
I had a desire to start my firm, nevertheless I didn't have got enough amount of cash to do this. Thank heaven my dude said to take the loan. Hence I took the small business loan and made real my old dream.
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