It's a whole new ballgame in Wijk aan Zee, and it ain't soccer, it's baseball. Or maybe hockey, considering Hikaru Nakamura's sports preferences. Today the US champion checked tournament leader Alexei Shirov hard into the wall with a beautifully played win. The victory moved Nakamura to +3, just a half point behind Shirov. Magnus Carlsen joined him thanks to a relatively easy full point from Bad Ivanchuk. With six rounds to play the heretofore unassailable and apparently unreachable Shirov has been assailed and looks quite reachable indeed. Shirov will try to bounce back with white against Carlsen in tomorrow's 8th round in another critical game for the standings.
I said at the start I could imagine Nakamura going -3 or +3 depending on how his gambling style panned out. He has refuted this conjecture not only by reaching +3 undefeated after seven rounds, but by how he has gone about it. His three wins, all violent Sicilians, have been aggressive and occasionally spectacular. All, however, came from solid positions of strength built up with a steady hand. And the murderers row that was supposed to be his real trial has resulted in two easy draws with black against Anand and Ivanchuk, pressing for a win against Carlsen, and now a win against Shirov. He still has black against Kramnik coming tomorrow -- never a day at the beach unless you mean Normandy -- but so far it's been very impressive stuff.
Today Nakamura outplayed Shirov out of an unusual line of the Lasker/Pelikan, a cousin of the Sveshnikov. White captured on f6 early, on move 8, and Shirov decided to head into original territory instead of moving back to the usual Sveshnikov with 9..b5. How original? Well, I've got around 40 games in my reference database after his 9..f5 and 4000 after 9..b5. Of course Nakamura loves to get games into original channels himself. After 10.Nc4 Shirov played the interesting 10..Nd4 instead of the more forcing 10..b5 11.Ne3 b4 that has been tried a few times. Nakamura's 18.Be2! is a very interesting move, offering the b-pawn. Taking ("never capture the queen's knight's pawn with your queen") gets Black into trouble after 19.Qxd6! and no matter how Black captures the bishop, or even if he doesn't, White has a crushing attack thanks to the weakness of the e5 pawn and the threat of Nd5. Shirov went for a combination of his own a few moves later, but it appears Nakamura saw deeper. Grabbing the f2 pawn is tempting and it looks like Black survives after 22.Qxd6 Rd8! 23.Qf6, threatening Re2, and now the trap is sprung 23..Qxf2! 24.Bc6+ bxc6 25.Qxf2 and White has won the queen. Shirov's dastardly plan is revealed with 25..Be4 26.Qf6 (26.Rg1? Rxg2! wins for Black) 26..Bxg2+ 27.Kg1 Rd2 and now White has to force a perpetual check with 28.Qxe5+ Kd7 29.Qf5+ Kd8 etc.
Nakamura didn't fall for it, however, and his immediate capture on b7 set Black difficult problems. The white bishop on d5 was a monster on offense and defense and White had all the the time in the world to consolidate and begin to advance his queenside majority. 30.g3! is an insane-looking move, but White has to open another front to make progress and the white king is surprisingly safe. It was clear then that Black was in real trouble. White can keep strengthening his position and poking around for weaknesses and Black has no active plans. Passive defense is not one of Shirov's many strengths. With time getting short he lashed out with 34..e4, though it was likely already too late to defend. Getting out of the pin with 34..Qa7 or 34..Qc7 still runs into 35.c5. After Black's move the computers -- and the ICC kibitzers who love them -- went nuts, showing a huge plus for White after the c5 push he'd been working up to. Nakamura had the additional benefit of a big time advantage and he sunk into thought working out the complications. It was therefore a big shock when he finally moved and 35.Qc3 came over the wire. After the game he explained his analysis to Macauley and he said he couldn't find the KO after 35.c5 Qc7. The answer isn't simple, but it is quite pretty when you see it. 36.cxd6 Rxd6 37.b6! Rxb6 38.Qxa5! Rb7 39.Qa6! and Black is tied hand and foot with too many threats coming.
After 35.Qc3 all that was off the table and we wondered if Shirov had his pockets full of rabbits' feet. He still had a few moves to go until time control, however, and White still had many threats. Nakamura made a few useful waiting moves and his strategy paid off when Shirov blundered with 36..Ka7. After 36..Qc5 it's not clear how White is going to make progress despite the total domination of his pieces. Given a second chance, Nakamura ended the game with a few precise hammer blows. A great game that reboots the tournament as well. Nakamura now has to get the adrenaline out of his system to play black against Kramnik while Shirov has to regain his composure to face Carlsen.
Ivanchuk tried a new development idea in a fairly offbeat Slav against Carlsen. His 6..Be6 looks logical enough, forcing the issue in the center White was basically forced to grab a pawn or allow Black to equalize easily. After a serious think Carlsen decided the c5 pawn wasn't poisoned at all, thank you very much. After 15.Rd1 is was clear he was right and that Ivanchuk was already in trouble. Instead of staying down a pawn we thought he might sac a piece with 18..Bxf2+, although it looked insufficient and still does. Black gets two pawns for a piece and the white king needs some time to reach safety, but as the saying goes, a knight is a knight. Instead Ivanchuk decided to go out in a blaze of glory, sacrificing his queen for a rook and a thoroughly hopeless attack that fizzled before it began. Ivanchuk played on till move 35 hoping for a blockade or a blunder, or perhaps because the cable in his room is out. As easy a win as you can hope for at Corus and one that shows that sometimes greed does pay.
The other round 7 games were drawn, leaving Kramnik in the hunt on +2 ahead of Ivanchuk and Dominguez on +1. Kramnik needed every ounce of luck, pluck and dour defensive skills to draw against Nigel Short. After the game the Englishman said he just got nervous and couldn't focus enough to calculate as the endgame win slipped through his fingers. Looking at the position now after, say, 32..Bg8 it's hard to believe Kramnik survived another five moves, let alone drew the game. White has an extra pawn, a distant passer, and the superior combination of Q+N vs Q+B. A very big fish to let off the hook, especially after Ivanchuk also escaped Short in an inferior endgame. The mundane 47.Qe7 isn't trivial but surely must be winning. Earlier White had an even clearer win by simply pushing his a-pawn. 43.a5 c5 44.Qb7 was GM Benjamin's suggestion on Chess.FM and Black is helpless. Threats to f2 can be ignored as there is no perpetual. 44..Qf6 45.a6 Qxf2 46.a7 Qxe3 47.Qb8 is curtains. Instead, he let the black queen get in front of the pawn. It seems like Short's nervous system responds positively to being on the defensive, as against Carlsen, but negatively when he's on the brink of a big win. I guess the glass half full aspect is that he's clearly capable of playing great chess; he had Kramnik's Petroff beat cold. As for Big Vlad, his second bullet dodge of the tournament.
No shots were fired in van Wely-Karjakin. Even the tireless fighter van Wely was beaten down by five straight losses. There were rumors that Karjakin was feeling ill himself, so the unwritten "ethical guidelines" of Corus of playing 30 moves or three hours were skirted without much in the way of commotion. Tiviakov and Leko played, but not so you'd notice. A dull position in Caruana-Anand livened up all of the sudden only to flare out into a perpetual check just as quickly. Seven straight draws for the world champion (and for defending Corus champ Karjakin). That's still shy of Carlsen's nine straight draws to open the A Group last year. Still, Anand is looking in serious need of a strong cup of coffee. Smeets and Dominguez played a spectacular piece of Najdorf preparation. It looked like the Dutch tailender would have to accede to a quick draw by repetition. But after a long think, he sacrificed both rooks in classic style on a1 and h1 to play for mate. Incredibly, he said after the game to Macauley that he'd actually worked on this line a few months ago. He just couldn't remember exactly how it went. Scary. Dominguez then went for a long think himself and both players arrived to the conclusion that it would be White forcing the repetition, not black.
Round 8: Kramnik-Nakamura, Shirov-Carlsen, Anand-Ivanchuk, Karjakin-Short, Dominguez-van Wely, Leko-Smeets, Caruana-Tiviakov.
Go Nakamura!!
This round could be as exciting as the 7th. I'm selfishly hoping for a Stonewall Dutch in Kramnik-Nakamura. Nakamura plays the Dutch rather well and Kramnik has a lot of experience in these lines from his youth. I look forward to some free instruction.
Anand-Ivanchuk is an annoying pairing, I root for Vishy but also want Chucky to recover quickly from yesterday.
Go Vlad! He's (over)due a good position out of the opening!
This gives me a chance to write my onsite report - I was travelling to Wijk yesterday but had to leave while Short and Kramnik were still playing.
Regarding Carlsen-Ivanchuk, there was a funny moment in the commentary tent: moves were transmitted wrongly (16.Nd4: rather than 16.Bd4:), which would have given Chucky the escape 16.-Bd4: 17.Bb1 Bc3+. This was analyzed, and one amateur from the audience suggested instead 17.-Bc5, to which commentator IM Hans Boehm replied "but this loses a piece!". Soon thereafter, 17.-Bc5 was actually played (for us from the wrong position) and noone understood what was going on.
I went back to the tournament hall expecting Ivanchuk's resignation any moment, but he played on for quite a while and I missed that moment turning my attention to other games. After his resignation, Ivanchuk got up, walked just a few meters on the stage and paused for one or two minutes in complete desperation - one fellow spectator was alert (or impolite?) enough to take a photo. I don't know what happened next, no idea how concrete pillars nearby the venue and Ivanchuk's toes are doing .... .
It seems that Ivanchuk's colorful tie (visible for a moment in the round 7 video on the tournament homepage) didn't bring him good luck ...
Did Vishy miss 17. Re-d1! the Knight can be taken but after the other rook comes to the c-file it seems white has good play.
Principled play in Kramnik-Nakamura. I hope for White to crush through. I like to play such setups against the Dutch and trust on the experience that the big black center will break somewhere if put under pressure long enough.
I'm relieved Shirov drew - after all he'd suffered from Kasparov while the latter was playing I thought he was going to get ground down in some Kasparov-assisted home preparation. But the speed he played suggested he also wasn't unfamiliar with the complications.
The big question now is whether Kramnik can beat Nakamura to join Carlsen in second place. 22. cxd5 Qxd4 23. Nxf4!? seems to win a clear pawn - though Rybka's line gives an ending where perhaps black still has chances?
Once Naka didn't play the Slav, I concluded that if he managed to draw the game or better, I would be extremely impressed - Kramnik eats these openings for snacks.
"the speed he [Shirov] played suggested he also wasn't unfamiliar with the complications."
Not too surprising: they followed Shirov-Carlsen(!) from the last round of MTel 2009 until move 22, and - as far as I remember - Carlsen's novelty 22.-Bc3 (rather than 22.-Be5) had already been proposed at that time.
I don't have a computer, but why can't kramnik play 24. Nxf4?
In the meantime he played it (it was also Rybka's suggestion), now he seems two healthy pawns up.
One might even say (whose quip was this?) that Kramnik has the extra material AND the compensation for it!?
Plus he has much better attacking chances against the exposed black king - it'd need a Short-like meltdown now for him not to convert.
The Dutch??? Naka might as well have slapped him in the face with a glove before the game, lmao....
I nto hater of Nakamura becuase he is good plaeyr and fun but today he is little bad bum against monster. Oh well tomorow come agian.
Naka tries to outcalculate Kramnik from a strategically inferior position... well, he's going to learn a few lessons.
He can play the Dutch against Anand, but not against Kramnik!!? Vlad didn't care about whatever attacking chances he may have had, but just swapped into an endgame.
Last open question: How high does the Rybka evaluation in favor of Kramnik have to be for Nakamura to resign? Currently (move 41) it's +6.07
It's will soon verge embarrassing that he keeps on playing. There's a multitude of threats and Kramnik has neutralized all of Nakas counterplay.
Good one, Krammo! Naka in human hands ;-)
He's a good player Naka - obviously (and possibly world class material is present) - but lets pleeeeese not hear more about him already being in the world elite (as defined by: top-10/20 and having established himself there firmly).
For that one needs regular superior results over a prolonged period of time - it's not enough being one of the best blitz players and occasionally beating another elite player.
I hope for the best for him. As I do for all interesting players.
dTAN
Thomas, thanks for the onsite report. Always good fun to hear about the reactions of the players (although, admittedly, you did not see it this time ;) )
Question to the rating calculators out there: how much as Anish Giri gained so far after today's win? Some impressive scalps from a rating point of view, aye?
I gave up so now you may tell your anser. Also tell who win your price.
Anyway, don't wish to antagonize and cause further strife in this rather childish (and sore) debate (basically: who's dick is larger!).
So let is just be stated that Naka is a very good and interesting player - often fighting to the last drop of...pawn :)
The rest is silence.
Ah good. The pendulum swings the other way. Let me explain: Naka wins a game. "He's the best player ever". "No he's not". Naka wins another game. "He's an elite grandmaster now". "No he's not". Naka loses a game. "Naka's a disgrace". "No he's not".
And so on, day in, day out, ad infinitum, regardless of how much information or brainpower might actually be necessary to make a shrewd, balanced judgment.
Ladies and gentlemen: 200,000 years of homo sapiens, and I bring you -- the internet!
To be fair, in the light of Vishy's drawing marathon, Naka's experience with the Dutch was sorely tested only today.
I think you and Mr. Thomas have your questons but you give up no ansers. Why is that for some reason. You must tell.
The sample of Nakamura's games against world elite players starts to become significant: So far in 2010 he had
- wins against Gelfand and Shirov
- draws against Grischuk, Anand (both with the Dutch) and Carlsen [I do not count the non-game against Ivanchuk]
- losses against Aronian and Kramnik
A 50% score isn't bad at all, also considering that he had black in 5/7 games.
He doesn't have to be ashamed of losing against Aronian and Kramnik, it happened to others before (e.g. Anand), but maybe _how_ he lost points out which aspects of his game still need improvement. Work for his trainer? Oh wait, he doesn't have one ... hints for what kind of trainer could help him?
Allso many questons and still no big anser from Mr. Thomas. Never more mind so some thing else pop up. Mabey I nto kown but any way Nakamura play very good ecept today he little bad bum.
Hm, if Kramnik is overdue for a good position out of the opening, something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Anyway, just as I had predicted in the previous blog entry, Kramnik beat Nakamura. When asked whether Nakamura could become the world champion, Kramnik quipped:
"Sure - when all of us stop playing chess...".
He did go on to say he thinks Nakamura has gotten much better recently, and he is likely to enter the top 10 in a year or so.
Nakamura should take some time to learn the Slav or the Nimzo-QID complex. Trying to play Kramnik in the KID or Leningrad Dutch is suicidal. But if he can rehabilitate those openings, good for him. But I think that he admitted the problems with such openings by not playing the KID and was probably hoping to learn a thing or two by playing the Dutch vs. Kramnik and getting an "original position".
kinda long long rambling description of naka's win against shirov by Mig dont think his loss today will get the same treatment in the blog!
1..f5 against Kramnik was maybe cruising for a bruising looks like it cost him time on the clock. Wonder how long he spent on the plausible 23...Be6?? it has a slightly blitz feel to it.
But overall really impressed with Nakamura's play he has really stepped up and looks like a player for organisers to invite to more top tournaments
Yeah, good call, Laj. Kramnik himself has said he expected Nakamura to play the Dutch, as he felt Nakamura wasn't going to enter a theoretical battle with him as he (Kramnik) has a reputation of being a theoretician. And Kramnik thought Nakamura would not go into the KID as he thought him torturing van Wely for 6 hours in it was enough to turn one off playing it. And other than that - the Dutch was the only thing Nakamura plays - so Kramnik had him pretty much figured out.
Also, Kramnik said he doesn't face the Dutch often - and has only played it like 5 times in his career. He did look over his notes for the Leningrad, but he said now that he is likely to face Nakamura, he will actually spend some time and prepare for the Dutch seriously.
But still, even what Kramnik had shown today was/will be a big deal for those who play the Leningrad with either color. His Rb1, Qc2, bxc3 idea is likely to become popular on all levels. I know, as a 1.d4 player, I will take a look at it.
Kramnik's reading habits have become a running joke: "Unfortunately I didn't have time to buy a book on the Dutch since the book stores were closed after I finished my game yesterday."!
http://www.coruschess.com/gameanalysis.php?year=2010&game=8
Yes, thanks Thomas for the knowledge. I think the Dutch will be soon be leaving the playing field for Naka. Kramnik probably did not even need to prepare, but if others do then they will smash super-GM sized holes in it. The surprise is gone, it just has too many strategic inadequacies at that level. I was hoping for a King's Indian, there he could have created some tactical ideas and better chances trying to better Van Wely, imho.
Tomorrow is a rest day for the GMs (amateur events continue, the book stores will be open), so Kramnik has another chance to buy an opening book or two - his next opponent is Magnus Carlsen. There could hardly be a better moment in the tournament for this clash, unless caution prevails and both are happy with a draw. Ivanchuk-Shirov and Nakamura-Karjakin could also be interesting.
BTW, russianbear quoted Kramnik slightly wrongly -correct is: "Within a year he (Nakamura) WILL BE [emphasis added] in the top ten and anyone in the top ten has a legitimate chance to become World Champion. But there are other youngsters around. Carlsen is not bad, and this Giri and So are very strong and will be over 2700 soon. I am very happy with this new strong generation of players. It will be a nice challenge for me. As for the tournament, I'm playing genius after genius now, so anything is possible."
"will be" is stronger than "likely to be", and he also clarified that the first part ("after all of us [the current top5?] quit") was just a joke.
@Jackson Brown: Also according to his game analysis on the tournament webpage, Kramnik prepared till 3:00am - doesn't he have a second at this occasion?
I really do not understand all the negativity about Naka. Is it because he is American, or because he refuses to play 'main line' openings?
Really, why are people not excited about a tactical based player who is full of fight? With all the whinging about short draws, I would think Naka is a welcome addition.
Thomas: "BTW, russianbear quoted Kramnik slightly wrongly -correct is: "Within a year he (Nakamura) WILL BE [emphasis added] in the top ten [...] "will be" is stronger than "likely to be" [...]"
Jesus Christ. Literally. Do we need to pore over these on-the-fly spoken comments as if they came from the Son of God himself? This was an ICC online interview, not the Sermon on the Mount of Olives. I don't think Russianbear in any way distorted Kramink's words.
Bloody hell. (A hope rather than a promise...).
Naka is not invincible, but he is immortal.
For some reason, Shirov has consistently found Ivanchuk to be a difficult opponent, and tomorrow, in round 9, Shirov plays the black side. With Ivanchuk being somewhat shaky in this tournament, I hope Shirov can at least draw. Then, in the 10th round, Shirov must again play on the black side, this time vs. Anand. Though Anand has not been showing much enterprise so far, he's still a tough opponent and Shirov will have to be careful not to overreach.
"and he also clarified that the first part ("after all of us [the current top5?] quit") was just a joke."
Yes, he did. After the official site:
"Nakamura will have a legitimate chance to win the World Championship .... if all of us quit. NO, NO, SERIOUSLY, he's made a big improvement in the last year".
Wow 3:00AM for the Dutch, he does have much respect for Naka. No second..ie lackey to do his dirty work, maybe his wife is the new ceo of Kramnik inc.?
Anyways good games today, liked Cuaruano's grind of Tiviakov, looked like a very mature approach not seen in players so young but then the young players of today have so much more positional understanding at their age. In my time (2300 FIDE) until I was 30 I could calcualte mate 20 moves in advance but positionally I knew less than a Russian schoolboy.
Well, reading Russianbear's version of Kramnik's joke here, I first raised a big eyebrow as it did look a little too patronizing even for being Kramnik (keeping the other day's comment about Smeets in mind). So Thomas clarification wasn't entirely waste of space. For me, at least. This time. You get the point.
dTANSkak, my being from the U.S. has nothing to do with this upcoming comment:
If you were any good at the game yourself, sir, then I would say that you'd need to be on the receiving end of a Nakamura blitzkrieg to understand in the slightest how strong he is. But I'm fairly sure that you do not understand what's happening at all in his games, I'm afraid to say.
If his tournament results in the past six months don't mean anything to you, you're hopeless. He's not of the class of World Champs or Carlsen yet, but he's getting (for them) uncomfortably closer.
I think I right Nakamura play very good ecept today he play like little bad bum. He shave his face and be better nect time I bet all.
The reasons I gave Kramnik's exact words and full quote:
1) I am generally allergic to quotes given out of context, if it changes the meaning (I don't think russianbear did it on purpose)
2) It doesn't take much here to be (dis)qualified as a Nakamura hater, naysayer or detractor ... .
Actually IMO Kramnik would have had a certain right to be patronizing - after all, he didn't just win a game of chess but taught him a lesson. Do I exaggerate?
BTW, Kramnik didn't say when he started preparing for Nakamura. He had a long game against Short yesterday, then at least dinner and maybe some rest, maybe there was a football match on TV ,:) , ... . And it may have been primarily lack of respect or disbelief in the Dutch opening, not excessive respect for the opponent: "Around 3 o'clock last night I was pretty annoyed. I hadn't found anything yet and it's not possible you can equalize with the Dutch. Finally I had a shower, where I realized that I just shouldn't take on e4!"
The number (not so large, in fact) of Nakamura's detractors has nothing to do with his nationality, nor with his chess, which is of an incredibly high standard, and not only spectacular but also technically very proficient, at least in these last few years (curiously enough, his three most brilliant wins, Krasenkov '07, Beliavsky '09 and Gelfand '10, have all been with Black!).
What many people have problems with is his arrogance and bad behaviour, of which several examples over the years have been given more or less everywhere in the chess press, including this blog, sparing me the trouble of repeating them.
To be fair, the multiple US champion has often apologized for his excesses, usually attributing them to youth and exuberance, and promising not to repeat them again. But since he then goes back to fall into the same old bad habits, for the moment it's too early to write them off as a thing of the past. If you take a random player of more or less the same age and level on the rating list (Tomashevsky, for instance), he would probably turn out to be a more polite individual than Naka.
"Really, why are people not excited about a tactical based player who is full of fight? With all the whinging about short draws, I would think Naka is a welcome addition."
I think many are excited about Nakamura, but some are a bit too excited for the more ... cautious ones among us. :o)
Also, against strong opposition, I just detailed Naka's stats against 2700+ players over the last 13 months - from January 2009 until now. It is like this:
+3 -6 =13
And among the draws, 4 or 5 of them are 25 moves or less, btw. He played typically short draws in most of his white games in San Sebastian, plus the one against Ivanchuk here.
He also played two great, attacking games against Gelfand and Shirov. But you're not allowed to do that all the time against the elite players.
I think the best thing Naka's core fans can do to spread the gospel, is to keep the praise at a "tactical" and well-adjusted level. Carlsen has a TPR of 2800+ over his last 80+ games - in Corus Nakamura is 2800+ over his last 8 games. There's quite a difference between statying 2800+ for 8 games and 80 games. The 8 games could be the first 8 of 80, obviously, or it could be a hot streak.
Daaim and others like him seem to say - "he will do 70 more, just wait and see!!!"
Well he might. But nobody has ever adapted that fast to playing the best players in the world, so it would be truely amazing if he did. And hence somewhat unlikely. You're not a "hater" or a "detractor" because you're not ready to put all your money on Nakamura performing 2800+ for another year straight.
Nakamura has joined the elite, which he clearly shows in his first two 2010 events, no matter how Corus finishes. Top 10 seems within reach in the not so distant future, as does his first super-gm event win (as defined as cat. 19 or above).
In my opinion, it takes much more proof of consistency before one puts him up with Anand, Topalov, Kramnik, Aronian and Carlsen. For fans of most players, such a statement wouldn't create any kind of fuzz if uttered about their favourite. However, for some reason some Nakamura fans appear to feel that nothing but complete surrender shows any kind of respect for Nakamura's achievements lately. And there I must humbly disagree.
I do not kown if I naysayer or detracor if I say bad thing or good thing. I think I nothing. It seem that every one of plaers get pick on by some body for some reasons. I like naysayer word. It is funny word and look funny and sound funny. I heard a horse say nay one time and goat say ba. Of corse I under stand that horse is not what peoples mean when they call naysayer but is so funny I luagh all right I like it.
And before someone bites my head off:
In the previous thread (for Mig's previous blog post), I started by focusing on Naka's break-through results against 2700+ players in his last 11 encounters of the kind, starting with the London event.
+2 -2 =7 against an average of 2765.
See my post in the other thread for more.
I see now why is that Sofia rules aren't applied in Corus , the sole presence of the 3 locals guarantees enough decisive results for everyone.:)
@prugno >
IMO it all depends on how the image of the player is publicized , Carlsen has shown a couple of very ugly reactions at the board lately but he has enough support from the press to be excused of that (like Kasparov in his time).
Imagine how would be the report from chessbase if Topalov try to take back a move and then leave the board in anger ...
Nakamura sound a little arrogant sometimes , but he also sounds truly honest about his assessments , i prefer politeness at the board and a little arrogance at the press release than the opposite.
So, Carlsen is the bad boy with the "very ugly" behaviour, while Nakamura is polite and correct at the table.
Good to have you here to sort things out for us. :o)
Never said Magnus is the " bad boy" , never said that Naka is correct and polite at the table (im sure you meant board)...
There is no need to make things up frogbert...
;0)
I don't have a view as to what Nakamura will do in the future. Nakamura is an acquaintance of mine, but time will tell what he'll do. It's useless (and foolish) to spectulate. What I don't like is people denying that Nakamura is currently at the elite level. I have debated no other point.
BTW Carlsen's status at facebook is very interesting at this moment , it says :
"Magnus Oen Carlsen is going to crush Kramnik like a bug " , i'm sure it must be an internal joke or something.
Thomas, fair enough. Shouldn't have jumped down your throat. Thanks for the restrained response.
Well perhaps, though I must say the last several years he has been fairly adult. And compare his behavior to say, Topalov.
I personally bore the brunt of really obnoxious Naka behavior...ten years ago when he was *twelve*. I guess I am willing not to hold that against him now:) Especially if people will forgive things I did in my 20s...
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