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Magnus Carlsen is back in New York, and Garry Kasparov and Hikaru Nakamura are also going to be on the scene. The fashion scene, that is. There's also some chess, one of those "against the world" things we all love to hate -- and love despite all the hoopla. This one is all about Carlsen sponsor G-Star Raw, a line from the Dutch clothing company ("clothing, denim couture, shoes and luxury accessories for men and women." The Twitter is all twitterpated with the possibility that Justin Bieber might wear G-Star to the Video Music Awards. Don't know about that, but I must say "Denim Couture" would be a great name for a French movie detective). Liv Tyler is also going to be there.

It really does sound like an amazing event, and I would pay good money to hear Maurice Ashley do live coverage of an old person eating breakfast. This makes it even more annoying that it's also on the last night of Rosh Hashanah, and I'll be with family in Scardale all day. Thus continues the long tradition of launching major chess events on Jewish holidays, though I'll cut them some slack since Fashion Week has its own scheduling and because the New Year is one of those tricky ones that covers multiple days. And because they have reduced my Liv Tyler Bacon Number to two, surely as low as it will ever go.

Anyway, bummer for me. It's live online here starting at noon NY time. I hope someone else is there for some behind-the-scenes coverage. Jen Shahade will be there for CLO, so there's some hope there. I had heard there was going to be some face-to-face blitz action between Nakamura and Carlsen, along with the "Carlsen against the World" consultation game, but don't see mention of it anywhere. Nakamura, Judit Polgar, and last year's world junior champion Vachier-Lagrave are the World's coaches.

Has anyone gotten a pic of the NYC bus ads with Magnus? Send it on if you got one. ChessBase has a coverage summary with a video of Magnus on Dutch TV I haven't had time to watch.

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Good theater and some nice publicity. Where does Kasparov get the energy to run around the world like this?! He'll need some extended R&R after the FIDE elections for certain. As for Mig, well, I'm betting on a nice New Years post for 2011! LOL

Good to hear there is time for some family in between everything else. Although things are somewhat slow around the dirt nowadays, you're doing good work!

Ha ha one of the rare sightings in migloids occasional "chess" blog of his religious proclivities. (Kasparov and fashion - surely some mistake)Surely Migloids Bacon number is always zero?? Ho ho. I do share migsters despair about chess tournament director lack of sensitivity to our multicultural conventions. As I suffer it every year in respect of the Hastings chess tournament when I am in the bosom of the extended family on January 1st - no pass given here. Alas my chinese and particularly my hindu freinds silently suffer much more as chess events (even major ones unlike this trifling)are scheduled on their major festivals and new year dates.

While we are on the non chess subject of religious affiliations I notice that Obama unlike his amusing born again fundamentalist christian predecessor Bush never dons a yarmulke or for that matter a kufi.

Happy Eid Mubarak everyone!

A Chess Butler? That must be a historic first!
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6663

I expect him to be dressed in black and white, of course.

If you have to take into account every religious holiday of every religion on earth there won't be any free dates left on the calender. To each his own, but if your religion requires you to wear your underpants on your head don't be surprised if the rest of the world does not follow suit, understand or care. Religions are stupid, ALL religions.

Ok, that was a bit of a rant and the example extreme, but never the less it illustrates a valid point imo although in real life (as opposed to in the comments on a blog) I would be more tolerant and try to accomodate the major religions even though no matter what you do it's impossible not to be unintentionally slighting somebody somewhere.

@trm

I like your first comment, I had a good laugh.

"It really does sound like an amazing event, and I would pay good money to hear Maurice Ashley do live coverage of an old person eating breakfast."
Didn't he already DO Kasparov-Short?

Mig & family: Shana tova umetukah.
Family is more important than chess anyway.

Bent died. A true giant.


The best Scandinavian chess player ever has died.
RIP Bent Larsen

The World looking a bit schizophrenic...

GK: this is over.. blacks activity is just temporary
M Ashley: I'm from so and so and ... I believe it aint over till its over
GK: That's because you don't play Magnus...

World not listening to audio or using Rybka?? They are ignoring GK's suggestions and picking Naka's moves..

That's funny.


It's amusing that they had to redo the closing ceremony. I think it is meant for the
general public, as the original closing ceremony
had too much chess analysis.

Lesson to World: Dictatorship trumps democracy in chess.

Nakamura wanted to play the Dutch at a match sponsored by a Dutch company. That was a great idea, but unfortunately, not followed...

I know I know he plays the Dutch often, but still...

Yesterday was truly a sad day for chess with the passing of the great Bent Larsen.

From our privileged perspectives of education, technological affluence, and ease of access to information and knowledge bequeathed to us from science, religion may indeed appear to be an inheritance from the past which is outdated and its demise a good thing. However, in our past (and in the present in many of the societies less educated and affluent than ours), religion provided the glue that held people together and provided each of them with a purpose in an otherwise harsh and brutal world and the promise of a better and more fulfilled life. Social traditions passed on through religions will probably be with us long after people seriously believe in the tenets those religions held.

"...religion provided the glue that held people together and provided each of them with a purpose in an otherwise harsh and brutal world and the promise of a better and more fulfilled life."

Or they could just eat less, and stop being fatties, right?

Star move of the game IMO was 26.Rca3. Also liked it when Carlsen leaned over the board, grabbed his queen, and smiled.

Bye bye Bent!! I hate it when one of my childhood heroes passes. I demand that someone put a stop to it.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1106394

A great player dies and someone called chesshire cat tries to be funny by saying "I demand that someone put a stop to it."

Get lost, Luke.

That Maurice Ashely guy is pretty much the perfect fit for gigs such as this. Is his regular job media related or is he just a natural?

ps. go away Luke.

I don't think it's luke...who was always annoying but not near as nasty. But whoever it is can go away.

RIP Bent Larsen. What a player!
(And somebody please teach ChessBase what "infamous" means.)

I do not think that Larsen would have been happy to be famous for the 0-6 loss he suffered against Fischer. Hence, ...

Maurice Ashley bores the crap out of me.
He's a broken record, and not an especially interesting record to begin with.
Get the showbiz hook.
I would even rather listen to Jen Shahade's winey valley-girl voice.

I'm on a curmudgeonly roll here, aren't I? Just my opinion.

Anybody else notice how chessbase.com put Larsen's head on Carlsen's torso?

Maurice Ashley.

Sits in his studio with Kasparov next to him. Ashley spends ~95% of the air time on speed talk. Kasparov gets to squeeze in a word here and there.

Who do you want to listen to talk about chess?

Ashley every time :) - sad tank top wearing monomaniacs get a bit boring unless they are talking about how the history of the last 1000 years was made up :)

If Garry isn't currently whipping everyone's ass, he's just a sad tank-top wearing monomaniac??

I guess it's real easy to take really stupid pot shots from the rock you're hiding under, andy, huh?

Oh, and by the way, Maurice Ashley is supposed to be entertaining - and that's debatable. Garry Kasparov's record is not.

Ha ha - stick a picture of Gazza on your bedroom ceiling why dont ya! I give my real name and email- nothing against laughable hero worship though the blogs full of it and big enough to take all points of view. You can respect the chess and not the man my little field mouse :) I do appreciate that that migloid earns a crust from gophing for the old has been (sic)

infamous:
1.
having an extremely bad reputation: an infamous city.
2.
deserving of or causing an evil reputation; shamefully malign; detestable: an infamous deed.
3.
Law .
a.
deprived of certain rights as a citizen, as a consequence of conviction of certain offenses.
b.
of or pertaining to offenses involving such deprivation.

Which definition applies to Larsen's loss?

"Which definition applies to Larsen's loss?"

That would be 1.
having an extremely bad reputation: an infamous city.
This is only regarding his 0-6 loss to Fischer. Why is that infamous? Because I could have acheived the same score:)

Of course, Larson was not alone in his misery. Taimanov already needed consoling when Bent was just getting started, back in '70-'71.

@floppyfish - Maurice Ashley is a chess coach in New York, but has done commentary many times before, including for ESPN. For more, see his 2010 US Championship coverage at:
http://USChessChamps.com/video

And a recent radio piece on chess commentary for NPR's "Only a Game," a nationally syndicated show:
http://www.onlyagame.org/2010/08/saturday-august-21-2010/#4
See the story called "Chess Play-by-play"

Thanks for the info. I did watch some of the USCC commentary, and it made me believe that chess broadcasts can in fact appeal to a broader audience. Of course, it was a perfect event in that there were loads of fighting chess going on and plenty of games to choose from, and the many people who believe that chess is the game least suited for tv would have been in for a surprise had they seen it.

(To anticipate the replies to this post: No, I don't believe chess can become anywhere near as mainstream as for example poker, but we might be able to improve the image of the game somewhat and expand our niche a little. Nor is Ashley's commentary and analysis completely satisfying for the advanced player, but that's not necessarily a big issue.)

It's not the right forum but the Live Top Rating List has now hit 40 2700's. I believe this is the first time. Does anyone care to predict when there will be 50 2700's?

"Does anyone care to predict when there will be 50 2700's?"
I care or dare ,:) - empirically/historically (if the past is a key to the future) I say September 2012.

Number of 2700+ players in official FIDE lists:
Sep 2010 38 (Le Quang Liem and Georgiev have joined the club in the meantime)
Sep 2009 32
Oct 2008 32
Oct 2007 22
Oct 2006 20
Oct 2005 19
Oct 2004 15
Oct 2003 17
Oct 2002 12
Oct 2001 14
Oct 2000 10

Hence it took 3 years to get from 10-15, 3 years from 15-20, 2 years from 20-30, 2 years from 30-40, ... 2 years from 40-50?!

Kasparov's record as a commentator is very debatable. That is the issue on the table. Ashley does color commentary and Kasparov is the expert. No need to compare the two... different roles.

You said Ashley bores you. Many say Ashley is too over the top and should tone down. You say he's boring. I've heard Ashley's commentating style being described in many terms, but you're the first I've heard say he's boring. Who would you rather hear doing the color?

Fair question, Daaim. First I'll say that I find him a broken record because he truly says the same things over and over again. His annotating is OK given what I understand, but it's buried in his yammer-head style.

Who would I rather hear? I'd favor a co-commentating set up with maybe Joel Benjamin or Larry Christiansen for the straight side, and Alex Yermolinsky as the comic relief (not that he's a slouch on the serious side) - and that is despite his thick accent. He's smart, he speaks very up-to-date and parochial American English - if you listen to him - and he knows the good turn of phrase. His few ICC game annotations are my favorites.
I cautiously add Jen Shahade because her voice grates, but I like her personality.
I imagine there might be some masters, IMs, GMs out there who might do a very good job if pressed into duty. One person who comes to mind is Irina Krush. She has charisma and writes well...

Andy Soltis in today's NY Post:

The chess world could be in for a nightmare scenario this month.

It begins to unfold Wednesday in Lausanne, Switzerland, where the Court of Arbitration for Sport will hear world champion Anatoly Karpov's suit to disqualify his opponent, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, in an election for president of the international chess federation (FIDE).

Also next week, a Moscow court is due to consider Ilyumzhinov's defamation suit against Karpov.

And then two weeks later, FIDE's 160 or so national federations will choose between Ilyumzhinov, the incumbent president, and Karpov, the reformist-insurgent. Ilyumzhinov is expected to win in a landslide.

But if the Swiss court vetoes Ilyumzhinov's candidacy, Karpov -- with the backing of perhaps only 40 countries -- would become FIDE president.

Ilyumzhinov would likely fight back and could refuse to yield power. That would leave FIDE, the body that organizes world championships, in chaos.

It might get much worse: Ilyumzhinov, who is losing his day job as president of Russia's Kalmykia, could even try to organize a rival to FIDE out of the 90-plus nations who support him.


Who controls the Court of Arbitration for Sport? Please supply name and life history, their boss name(s) and life history, ethnicity and thus national loyalty, any illuminist affiliation, names of persons from whom they have received money-under-the-table, their sexual peccadilloes that subject them to political blackmail, etc.

Because as geopolitics goes, most these "international" organizations serve as fronts for the U.S.; none are actually independent. It looks to me Illumwhatever has been maneuvered by Team Karpov into a finishing blunder.

If Mig's twitter (top right) is true... "Confirmed: Russian embassies around the world calling local sports and chess officials urging them to support Karpov. Kirsan is non grata."

...then suddenly Karpov's chances are looking far greater, even without the court deciding in his favour. It's clear that Ilyumzhinov's been using his political position in Russia as a reason for federations to support him.

I just translated a round-up of the press coverage in Russia on Kirsan's "retirement": http://www.chessintranslation.com/2010/09/kirsan-released-into-space/

Apart from the fun headlines (e.g. "The humanoids didn't save Ilyumzhinov") points made include that Ilyumzhinov desperately needs to win the FIDE election to retain legal immunity. Also some entertaining comments from both candidates:

Ilyumzhinov: "If Karpov didn’t exist you’d have to invent him. He has no program, no ideas, while 170 countries around the world is no joke! You don’t sit at the controls of a jet, or in a dentist’s chair, knowing that instead of a doctor there’s Vasya the plumber. Therefore I consider his competition frivolous."

"On the 15 September in Moscow legal hearings will be held for the case brought by Ilyumzhinov, who accuses you of libel.

[Karpov:] Not of libel, but of causing moral harm to his fantastic reputation."

"Confirmed: Russian embassies around the world calling local sports and chess officials urging them to support Karpov. Kirsan is non grata."

-Then, at least, we should soon see a statement from Russia's own chess federation declaring that they support Karpov unanimously.

Lol, if that tweet is true the Russians have flubbed the issue big-time. Soporific Slavs. Karpov, despite Russian citizenship, represents the chessic fist of American power, while Illyum, mediocrity he is, belongs to the Russians by default of retaining geopolitical independence.

hcl,

Looks more like Kirsan has gotten the boot, and lost support of the Kremlin. If he is not the ruler of a Russian Republic (which he isn't), doesn't have the support of Moscow (which he doesn't), what good, exactly, is he?

Mig is awesome Color.

"...the chessic fist of American power."

We Americans (Rumsfeld, Cheney, Haliburton, Kissinger, the CIA, et. al) look forward to bringing the FIDE presidency under our imperialist hegemony.

Not sure we'll quite know what to do with it.

But we'll think of something.

Daaim --
I could have added that I don't much mind listening to Mig on the ICC live games, although I think his commentary sometimes sounds too clever by half, to be honest. But his analysis is good enough, judging by the agreement he gets from his higher-ranked guests.

In addition to his banter sounding limited, Ashley probably tries too hard to keep it exciting. He doesn't appreciate that many listeners are happy with a low-key approach, as long as you keep it moving. He's just too pop. I heard another guy I heard do a better job of it. Was it for Gibralter?

Be careful what you wish for...

The chess world may enjoy a pyrrhic victory with the ousting of Kirsan - assuming it becomes a reality. What if the nefarious KK duo doesn't bring money into chess?

FIDE will not be any less corrupt with the two K's & Friends at the helm, with the added "benefit" that Kirsan's money will not be around to sweeten the bitter experience.

Kirsan is bad. The alternatives are not better, I'm afraid.

I hereby nominate Liv Tyler for FIDE president.

From the Russian perspective:

Russian puppet > independent > U.S. puppet

Kirsan falls into the middle category, Karpov arguably into the last.

@Koster
Gee, with Kasparov the former candidate for president, and chess as most popular Russian sport, FIDE would make good pawn to ram into Putin's position, wouldn't you say? At a cost of $4 million, that's nothing in geopolitics.

Well... you have your preferences and I see they are all American personalities. Few of them would sell to sponsors. I have heard all of them do commentary and I'm not sure how you'd pick some of your choices over Ashley, but that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Ashley and Danny King make a good combo and Ashley and Seirawan were good in the Man vs. Machine matches. The larger question is who would we want to promote chess to larger audiences? Maybe you'd choose Christiansen, Benjamin, Kaidanov or Yermolinsky. They all have their strengths, but I'm not sure you'd get the result. If we are talking about strictly chess audiences, then the preferences are a mixed bag.

Could you supply the link?

Soltis: "It might get much worse: Ilyumzhinov, who is losing his day job as president of Russia's Kalmykia, could even try to organize a rival to FIDE out of the 90-plus nations who support him"

I think this outcome would be hilarious and hardly bad for chess. Worse will be the more likely outcome of Kirsan returning in his role as Fide dictator.

As I understand it, each member nation gets one vote, regardless of the number of active chess players in that nation and Kirsan's following of 120 or so nations actually represents a small percentage of players when compared to the number of players in nations that would support Karpov.

Kirsan has been able to easily get re-elected by simply paying off the heads of these smaller Fide member states. He is continuing his time honored tradition of bribery by following Karpov's world tour, to insure he (Kirsan) gets his bribe in after Karpov's visit.

Anyway that's my take on it. I've tried to read as much as possible, and only know what's been published on the internet.

Every time I read something positive about Kirsan, it always reminds of the kind of self-promotion seen in Dictatorships like North Korea by Kim Jong-Il. It's obviously not the as over the top, but there are similarities, in that the news appears all to positive, as if paid for.

Daaim --

I only know of the people I have heard. The folks you mentioned are also American or English. If you are suggesting a broadcast in other than the Enlish language, that's a completely different scenario!

I don't know if the universal language of chess is English, but an awful lot of players seem to make an attempt to learn it. And, of course, some of the better-known players seem pretty comfortable with it.

It sounds like you're happy listening to Ashley. OK. To each his own. I believe that people should have a choice in that, I think. I really hope he isn't locked into that role in the minds of organizers. Just because he fancies himself in the role, doesn't mean he's the end-all for the job.

Have you even considered Irina Krush? Someone should ask her to take a shot at it. Come to think of it, quite a large number of IMs and GMs are trying to eke out some kind of living from playing chess. Maybe some of them should consider themselves as candidates for a broadcasting role. Then we'd see some competition and talent. There are worse jobs out there, as you know.

I'll bet Mr. Ashley has never listened to himself for longer than five minutes. It might be good feedback for him to sit down for at least a half hour of himself. He's a smart guy. Why not suggest it to him in a subtle way the next time you are in touch.
Say you read about the idea right here.

It's not an all-American affair, there is also (at least) Svidler and Gustafsson on ICC - fluent English is essential, an accent, foreign or from e.g. Philadelphia, is generally "acceptable".

Daaim has a fair point about promoting chess to larger audiences and sponsor interests to reach such an audience. And it seems that Ashley is doing a good job in that respect, else (if a majority of THAT audience thought like kenhabeeb) he wouldn't be hired so often. Yet IMO analysis for advanced players also has a right to exist, so I fully agree with j nielsen: it was a bit irritating that Ashley was so dominantly verbose, and Kasparov hardly got his turn - he may not have a record as a commentator, but he clearly has one as a chess expert (not referring to USCF rating categories ...).

"Kirsan has been able to easily get re-elected by simply paying off the heads of these smaller Fide member states. He is continuing his time honored tradition of bribery by following Karpov's world tour, to insure he (Kirsan) gets his bribe in after Karpov's visit."

Yes, yes. But now Kasparov is armed with $4 million in bribe-money of his own, from "mysterious businessmen" - if you're able to read between the lines that's you, the American taxpayer (and me, too.)


Is this "Kasparov" fellow really that good? He's not even on the FIDE rating list. Sounds like a crank.

kenhabeeb,

I'm not content with anyone. This issue is about your comments, not my preferences. Danny King is from England and a very good commentator. Both he and Ashley have worked together.

I believe trying to make chess fit for broadcasting is a tough task and that is what the issue is. I'm sure you'd have many players who'd be willing to do it, but since you talk about track records, Ashley has a good one in high-level commentary... including ESPN.

You may not like his style, but who is better? Some didn't like John Madden's excitable style, but he revolutionized football commentary. Most of the players you mentioned can't sell chess with their broadcasting. That's the whole point when dealing with people like G-Star.

"Yes, yes. But now Kasparov is armed with $4 million in bribe-money of his own"

It's all innuendo and hearsay hcl, even regarding Kirsan's transgressions. Almost every player on the planet wants Kirsan out. The fact that Kirsan's still in power implies something going on behind the scenes. Perhaps he's contracted those aliens to perform some kind of wizardry on the voters? Yes, that might be the explanation.

lwolf howls:

"Almost every player on the planet wants Kirsan out. The fact that Kirsan's still in power implies something going on behind the scenes."

You're absolutely right: there is something going on - Kirsan has been putting food on their table for a few years. Even Kasparov was a Kirsan ardent supporter when he thought that was the best way to get the title back from Kramnik.

As for players wanting Kirsan "out", it's doubtful, unless they can line up the next sugar daddy. Karpov has told everyone he has a few suggar daddies of his own, but nobody believes him.

The elections look very intriguing...

"I'll bet Mr. Ashley has never listened to himself for longer than five minutes. It might be good feedback for him to sit down for at least a half hour of himself. He's a smart guy. Why not suggest it to him in a subtle way the next time you are in touch.
Say you read about the idea right here."

I'm seconding what I said above. Tell him to read this, Daaim. You know him. He knows you. Self-improvement is a good thing!
Please! I don't want to be saddled with more of same for the next 15 years because he's supposed to be "it." I am SURE that I am not the only person who doesn't think Maurice Ashley is the cat's meow.

Who else? Well, Ben Finegold is not as photogenic as Maurice, but his commentary doesn't grate or condescend at the goofy splash, bang, ESPN level.

If chess is a universal game, we can't only have white man + Anand and Wang playing and promoting the game at the top level. As long at color counts for some youngsters, it's good to have people like Ashley around. He's of course invited because of his skills, not his color.

I dreaded the introduction of the race card, regardless of intention. And I do not agree that it's good to have someone of color in that spot for color's sake. I'd just like to see Maurice do an excellent job that gets him invited back with enthusiasm. What is good for the audience is good for chess. What does color have to do with it? If Maurice steps up his game, folks will eagerly listen. But I haven't heard any accolades so far. Mere mention of he presence is not praise.

Ashley did his job. It is doubtful if any other ( particularly Susan) would do any better.

Kasparov resembled Neil Armstrong explaining in few words how easy was catching the Moon...


I like Ashley. He is enthusiastic. Like a sports commentator. I think he did a great job covering the G-Star RAW hoopla, with the many patzers kibitzing.

Of course, if he was going to comment a WC match, he would have to apply a calmer tone, with more analyzes, less talk. I think he could do that too.

"Kirsan has been putting food on their table for a few years." "As for players wanting Kirsan "out", it's doubtful, unless they can line up the next sugar daddy."

You must be deluded. After expenses and salaries, Fide has very little left to offer players of the game. I doubt anyone that makes a living off this game, relies on Fide support (other than the employees of Fide).

if chess players such as kenhabeeb became less selfish and wanted chess to improve popularity wise, we could actually make some progress. looking at it from a non-chess perspective, Ashley is clearly superior to every possible commentator you mentioned. Objectively, Jennifer Shahade's voice is a buzzkill for commentary and shouldn't even be in the picture at all. Kasparov knows a lot about chess but he's still not a social butterfly. For sure there are strong GM's who can give a better connection to the audience. here is an experience kenhabeeb in case you have kids and/or non-chess acquaintances: record 2 minutes of commentary from each of those guys and torture the non-chess spectator with it. first impression is everything, and they will very likely pick the Ashley clip as the best. i'm not surprised though as chess players in north america definitely aren't conformists(to success). from my experience, game is played mainly by the lower tier of society

lwolf howls:

"You must be deluded. After expenses and salaries, Fide has very little left to offer players of the game. I doubt anyone that makes a living off this game, relies on Fide support (other than the employees of Fide)."

True (except for the 'deluded' part :-). And that's the problem: professional players expect to make unrealistic money, so they are always at the mercy of lowlifes like kirsan, who financed many events with his own money. Even Fischer - back in the day - relied on the generosity of the sugar daddies. The game has never been self-sufficient, because the truth is that the average person on the street does not care for organized chess, so the sposorship/expectator money that flows to other activities is non-existent for chess. Kirsan's millions are the only reason the chess establishment accepted and continues to "accept" him.

You may think you read what I said, but you clearly did not. I didn't nominate either Garry or Jennifer. Do you a problem with Ben Finegold, who would have been the commentator at the 2010 U.S. Open if he didn't happen to play in it?

Irv, you are deluded. Kirsan has nothing to offer and never has. Where is one ounce of evidence that Kirsan ever put his own money into chess? The only evidence I can find is his own word for it. There are no financial records, and no transparency within Fide to show where money comes from and how it's distributed.

There's no doubt that he's scared off reputable potential sponsors. In the international media, he's universally thought of at best as delusional and dishonest, and far worse in some quarters. With a nut like him in charge, what reputable company would want to associate their name with Fide?

And yet you compare Kasparov and Karpov to Kirsan?

Yes Irv, you are deluded.

I'm not deluded, wolf.

Everybody knows that Kirsan bailed FIDE out after Kasparov's departure left it almost bankrupt.. Everybody knows that Kirsan financed many FIDE events. Yes, he is guilty of everything he is accused of. He is a lowlife. No question about it.

But it is really foolish for anyone to pretend that the lack of sponsorship is due to Kirsan's actions or persona. There has NEVER been serious sponsorship in chess - before or during Kirsan's reign.

Even Bessel Kok recognized Kirsan's financial contributions:

"And thirdly, I wish to thank a very special man present here to-day. And that man is the President of FIDE, Kirsan. I want to thank him for two things: First for your immense financial contribution he has given to this game he loves so much."

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3160


"But we'll think of something."

WC-candidates chosen based on size of nations' military budget?!?

"Everybody knows that Kirsan bailed FIDE out after Kasparov's departure left it almost bankrupt.. Everybody knows that Kirsan financed many FIDE events."

The question is: where did the money come from?

If it indeed was "his own" money, then fine - but if money in fact came from the Kalmykian republic's little resources (as claimed by some), it makes it "dirty money" and secondly, it means that after October 24th this source of "income" will be permanently gone.

Did you read all of mishanp's translation? Two excerpts:

"The central authorities only took an interest again in 1997 when it suddenly emerged that in this entity of the Russian Federation a certain “Black H0le” had formed, through which money was rushing away. Attempts by the Treasury to explain the fate of the 200 million roubles that had disappeared from the Kalmyk National Bank ended with another protest by Kirsan, who threatened that his republic would break away from the Russian Federation. […]"

"A few years later he was running an array of banks and countless companies, after which rumours began to appear in the media that Ilyumzhinov had taken Russian government loans for the purchase of wool – more than 10 billion roubles – which then disappeared somewhere. Similar scandals have pursued Ilyumzhinov over the course of his whole term as President – they concern both him personally, and the region he heads, though nothing has ultimately been proven."

See http://www.chessintranslation.com/2010/09/kirsan-released-into-space/ for more

Does Mig want to "moderate" all posts that include "Kirsan", "Ilumzhinov", "scandal", or similar these days? I tried to quote a couple of things from mishanp's latest translations, and it somehow triggered the "moderation" mechanism - even after 2-3 attempts of "censoring" the post ...

Or maybe it's just impossible to discuss astronomy here, due to terms like "black hole" or similar. Duh.

"Everybody knows that Kirsan bailed FIDE out after Kasparov's departure left it almost bankrupt.. Everybody knows that Kirsan financed many FIDE events."

The question is: where did the money come from?

If it indeed was "his own" money, then fine - but if money in fact came from the Kalmykian republic's little resources (as claimed by some), it makes the money stained and secondly, it means that after October 24th this source of "income" will be permanently gone.

Did you read all of mishanp's translation? Two excerpts:

"The central authorities only took an interest again in 1997 when it suddenly emerged that in this entity of the Russian Federation a certain “black hole” had formed, through which money was rushing away. Attempts by the Treasury to explain the fate of the 200 million roubles that had disappeared from the Kalmyk National Bank ended with another protest by Kirsan, who threatened that his republic would break away from the Russian Federation."

"A few years later he was running an array of banks and countless companies, after which rumours began to appear in the media that Ilyumzhinov had taken Russian government loans for the purchase of wool – more than 10 billion roubles – which then disappeared somewhere. Similar scandals have pursued Ilyumzhinov over the course of his whole term as President – they concern both him personally, and the region he heads, though nothing has ultimately been proven."

(Link to mishanp's article removed ... I'd wish the preview mechanism would flag stuff that needs "moderation".)

"Everybody knows that Kirsan bailed FIDE out after Kasparov's departure left it almost bankrupt.. Everybody knows that Kirsan financed many FIDE events."

But where did the money come from? His own pockets or elsewhere? That's not quite irrelevant, I think.

"There has NEVER been serious sponsorship in chess - before or during Kirsan's reign"

And what you call Intel's sponsorship of the PCA back in the 90's? Players out of the top 10 were even making some significant money for playing then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Chess_Association

"Even Bessel Kok recognized Kirsan's financial contributions"

You say that as if Bessel Kok supporting anything Kirsan does is surprising. The same Bessel Kok that ran against Kirsan, and when defeat appeared inevitable decided to join the Kirsan entourage. Where's the proof Kirsan provided his own money to support chess? For all we know the money could have come from the Kalmykia Treasury, or it could have come from anywhere, there's no records or documents to show the source - undoubtedly by intention.

Yes, delusional fits you Irv. You are in denial.


The debate rages on - who is delusional?

The Answer: All of you.

lwolf gets even angrier and howls even louder:

"And what you call Intel's sponsorship of the PCA back in the 90's? Players out of the top 10 were even making some significant money for playing then."

The only one making significant money from Intel's sponsorship money - it lasted a grand total of 2.5 years! - was Kasparov, along with whomever he faced. Therest of chess professionals were starving or making peanuts as always.

"For all we know the money could have come from the Kalmykia Treasury, or it could have come from anywhere, there's no records or documents to show the source - undoubtedly by intention."

Well, we are making progress at last! Now you admit there was a was a contribution, indeed, but the argument has now switched to where the money came from. I have no idea how the money got into Kirsan's pocket, but he had it and used a lot of it to support FIDE and to put food on the players table. And that's the point I made.

If Mr. Kasparov knoes how to bring sponsorship money into chess, how come he twice failed, with the GMA and the PCA? The PCA collapsed immediately after Intel left. Why couldn't Kasparov find any other sponsors?

I'm not a Kirsan supporter, but I'm not going to play the fool pretending that the nefarious KK duo is better than the sleazy incumbent. They are all lowlifes and the chess establishment has to decide which is the lesser of two evils.

"I'm not a Kirsan supporter, but I'm not going to play the fool pretending that the nefarious KK duo is better than the sleazy incumbent. They are all lowlifes and the chess establishment has to decide which is the lesser of two evils."

Honestly??

I feel sorry for you.

"I'm not a Kirsan supporter, but I'm not going to play the fool pretending that the nefarious KK duo is better than the sleazy incumbent. They are all lowlifes and the chess establishment has to decide which is the lesser of two evils."

Honestly??

I feel sorry for you.


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IRV is 100 percent right...and Lwolf must be new to this debate.

Anyone who has followed chess the past 20 yrs knows that in 1993 following the GK/NS breakaway, FIDE (and the 150+ national federations) were like a museum after a robbery -- the Mona Lisa (aka world title) was stolen and there was no insurance policy to pay for it.

FIDE hastily ran a replacement match (which Karpov won) but the foreign sponsorship (Oman?) was shaky -- it is unclear if it was paid.

In 1995, for the Karpov vs. Kamsky match...FIDE was broke. No sponsor for the match. USCF certainly wasn't going to do it. Kirsan was elected, and in 1996...FIDE paid for the match in Elista.

Karpov seems to have amnesia about this -- maybe he thinks he earned it. But FIDE had to get it from somewhere and that somewhere was Kirsan.

Same for the 1998 Olympiad in Elista.

Same for the work at running the KO cycles.

Flash forward to 2010. The PCA is dead. Private titles are dead. FIDE has won the war -- the world title (our Mona Lisa) is back in its display case. The 150+ national federations have their property back.

Why?

Kirsan's efforts.

And now some people want to elect Karpov -- with the help of the fellow who stole the Mona Lisa back in 1993?

It makes me sick.

And...it will make FIDE broke again.

Oh what the hell, let's call WW2 a do-over and install the Nazis again.

"IRV is 100 percent right...and Lwolf must be new to this debate"

Well, I guess that settles it. No need for debate here. Chesspride and Irv already figured it out.

derp.

Gotta love Kirsan's picture permanently affixed to the main fide page, right next to the eulogy of Bent Larsen. One of five articles has more pictures of Kirsan's saintly visit to Singapore.


http://www.fide.com/

Compare to the US chess site.

http://www.uschess.org/

If one is looking for a chess commentator up to reaching out to (segments of) the mass market, Ashley is one of a handful up to the job.

It would be helpful if Ashley had multiple speeds (it took the US football announcer John Madden time to figure out how to do this). Baseball announcers might be good models. Both games have long boring stretches in between the exciting moments.

"But where did the money come from? His own pockets or elsewhere? That's not quite irrelevant, I think."

If it came from the Kalmykia Treasury, it looks like that source may have dried up.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5he7B_B7I4WnV1FrX4NClN7fa-7OwD9I2J5UG1

btw, if you read that article, is there any way you could imagine Kasparov or Karpov being described as Kirsan is there? Yet some individuals on this site seem to be making that comparison. What are they smoking?

Bill - If the game of Chess had been created to appeal to the mass market, you would be choosing between it and checkers. And it would be a toss. Chess is a little bit 'above' the mass market, I think. In the same way, I don't care if a chess commentator appeals to 'the mass market.'

Hall of Fame LA Dodgers broadcaster Vin Sculley doesn't completely appeal to it. Some of his comments are over the heads of some people. But who cares! He's understated, he's smooth, and he's a Great announcer - significantly better than some louder pretenders out there. You only need to hear his work for just half an hour. I believe you probably have.

Am I making sense?

I think some people cant digest how Gazzoid was like the best pal of Illum when it suited him and when ALL of the stuff about him was known. It is laughable to see all this moral stuff - so many players etc were happy to take the money - its mainly self interest. Migloid's views follow his paymaster of course. Krapov has no chance of getting enough votes so hes trying to get in through the back door by having Illum disqualified. It will never work even if the court ruled for Krapov ( v unlikely) he is not going to be president just because he's the only one nominated.

Andy writes:

"I think some people cant digest how Gazzoid was like the best pal of Illum when it suited him and when ALL of the stuff about him was known. It is laughable to see all this moral stuff..."

Well said.

After 20 years of acrimony and mutual accusations of corruption, the two K's join forces to run on an empty "moral" platform. Are they better than Kirsan? nope. Why?

Because even though they are equally corrupt and equally dishonest, Kirsan at least brings some money to the table, while Kaspy only brings a long history of failure and delusion away from the chess board. Perhaps it would be a different story if Karpov had chosen a less nefarious running mate, but selecting Kaspy as his boss for this campaign casts very serious doubts on Karpov's ability to make sound decisions in the political arena. Kaspy almost single-handedly destroyed FIDE and then proceeded to mismanage and destroy the GMA and PCA, followed by becoming an ardent Kirsan supporter (when he wanted to cheat his way into a championship match). Why would anyone want Kasparov involved with FIDE as anything other than a professional chess player?

Problem is, we don't know who will really serve as COO (chief operations officer) of FIDE should the Karpov ticket obtain. It's not Karpov. No way any sane person would allow a destabilizing combination like Karpov - of amoral ambition, high intelligence and no institutional sense - to direct FIDE. These ex-Soviets ALWAYS screw up good Waspy organizations. They make good mercs but bad leaders.

Who's this never-heard-of-before Richard Conn? *Who does he really work for?* This guy must be U.S. intelligence - I'm 100% certain of it.

Maybe Mig will run things? He's obviously main advisor to Kasparov and highest-level operative on Karpov team. You'd notice Karpov coolly smiling for photo-ops as Kasp and Mig fly around do the heavy lifting. But probably not Mig - Kasp and him will go back to overthrowing Putin after this election.

So much conspiracy garbage being spouted by boneheaded morons. They are doing an excellent job of making themselves look stupid, delusional, and pathetic. Anyway, that's not what I'm here to talk about, so let's just sweep all that clutter and juvenile garbage out of the way.

I think Maurice Ashley did a great job with the microphone at the G-star event.

Hag

"Does Mig want to "moderate" all posts that include "Kirsan", "Ilumzhinov", "scandal", or similar these days?"

The objectionable word is probably "frogbert."

Is a recording of that G-star event commentary available anywhere? If so, I'd like to hear it. I wasn't able to find a youtube take of it.

Is there anyone more annoying and stupid than greg koster?

The Answer: Yes, Hag is, but just barely. Chesshire cat is a close runner-up.

I presume that comment refers in part to my posts.

The National Endowment for Democracy funds Kasparov.

Do you know what the NED is, "Hag"? It's an arm of the U.S. government as much as HUD or the SEC is. And its a sub-department of that three-lettered organization tasked to install puppet governments. This team specifically into Moscow, Russia. Ya hear?

Hey Hagster:
Know what it means when the Argentine government forces its chess federation to change vote? That's our puppet government in Buenos Aires beyotch-tapped.


Hey Hagster:
Know what it means when #1 Carlsen, the #1 female Polgar, the World Junior Champ, U.S. Champ show up for a chess-nonsense NYC media event? Nothing - by itself, nothing. But in gestalt, take a guess whose network is tapped, and who pays the massive appearance fees for these PR events?

Same with the London event - 3 billionaires, 100 millionaires show up for shuffle-chess with all top British GMs?

Anonymous businessmen suddenly give $4 million dollars for nothing?

Are ya kidding me, Hag? Do your brain cells work at all?

You need to sit down and relax and quit screaming like a lunatic on a street corner.

Stuff like this from your 8:56 AM post today:

"Who's this never-heard-of-before Richard Conn? *Who does he really work for?* This guy must be U.S. intelligence - I'm 100% certain of it." (hcl)

I think quite a few people here are 100% certain about you.

Hag

When the NED pays for a faction they insert trusted operatives into said faction.

Who is this person touted by the Karpov camp as the "well-known Richard Conn", previously unheard of in the chess world and a modest USCF-1900 rated?

Who is Richard Conn? Why is he running for FIDE VICE-PRESIDENT?

Could someone answer that? (I'm really curious who this guy is and how he's qualified to make FIDE VP.)

Dude, this Richard A. Conn has done NOTHING for chess.

He has the resume of someone in U.S. intelligence, and especially on Russia. This is not a chess guy:

"A longstanding member of the Board of Directors of the U.S.-Russia Business Council, Mr. Conn regularly consults with the World Bank, Members of Congress, and the Administration regarding Russian economic issues. He Co-Chaired the U.S.-Russia Business Council and American Chamber of Commerce (Moscow) joint initiative to facilitate Russian accession to WTO."

http://main.uschess.org/content/view/10307/319/
https://www.usrbc.org/aboutus/

(I can't help but suspect "Hag" as nothing more than an USCF-800-rate player. The inability to engage facts, to pattern-recognize, to reason - it ain't there. Two minutes of googling has produced a facts-avalanche. Yes, this Conn is 100% U.S. intelligence - the ordinary chess players here may not know, but these USA-Russia Business Council or USA-Japan Business Council serve as arms of U.S. intelligence. If the Karpov team wins we WILL have a U.S. government agent as the FIDE #2.)

The lunatics are running the asylum.

hcl -

I hope you will some day heed my advice and relax. Good luck.

Hag

Eric, a more apt use of your analogy would be: Kasparov didn't steal the Mona Lisa. He WAS the Mona Lisa. Kasparov had clearly established himself as the strongest player. He had defeated Karpov in several matches. He had the World's highest rating and best tournament record.

Just as Boxing fans don't care which sanctioning body (WBC, WBA,IBF, WBO, WBF) declares a fighter a champion, they only care about who can knock out their opponent.


Yes, FIDE sanctioned the Chess World Championship for 40 years. Then, FIDE lost its credibility.

It would be ironic if Kirsan were to "win" re-election as FIDE's head, even as he loses control of Kalmykia's purse strings. FIDE will go bankrupt, and Karpov and Kasparov will be free to form a new Federation

It broke its promises
It broke its policies
It broke its own rules
It broke its contracts

And so Kasparov broke from FIDE to play a credible opponent. And Chess fans around the world followed that (London) match with far more interest than it did of FIDE's match of Semi-Final losers (Karpov
and Timman, in Indonesia, for less than 1/2 the Prize $$ ).

This is, I suppose, the fault of naïve Chess Fans, who fail to understand that actual skill is not an important criteria for being deemed Champion.

(Someone cover me. I'm goin' in.)

Question: If this USRBC outfit that Mr. Conn belongs to is a front for an intelligence agency, why is advertising apparently supporting it?

Uh, this ad question's for me?

I'd presume the 3 banner ads on their site (at a listed total cost of $7,400 annually) doesn't constitute their full budget - what with two prime-offices, f/t secretaries, and events featuring Bigs such as Putin, Luzhkarov, Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, etc. Please contact their accounting office cuz I def don't know.

(Personally, I'm done on this thread. I'm not here to preach, argue a case, and have nothing to add... just stating a few observations.)

I was asking because I didn't think, though I could be wrong, that in the Obama age (that is, the not-Bush age), government agency front groups would need to have truck with the private sector. Would they not be supported by the gov't agency behind them?

"It broke its promises
It broke its policies
It broke its own rules
It broke its contracts."
--FIDE did all those things, but the zonal-interzonal-candidates-WCC structure kept cranking along, incomparably better than the anarchy that replaced it.

"And so Kasparov broke from FIDE to play a credible opponent."
--Oh please. Kasparov was going to play Nigel Short either way. GKK calls his break from FIDE the worst mistake of his chess career. Enough said.

Eric, a more apt use of your analogy would be: Kasparov didn't steal the Mona Lisa. He WAS the Mona Lisa. Kasparov had clearly established himself as the strongest player. He had defeated Karpov in several matches. He had the World's highest rating and best tournament record.

Just as Boxing fans don't care which sanctioning body (WBC, WBA,IBF, WBO, WBF) declares a fighter a champion, they only care about who can knock out their opponent.


Yes, FIDE sanctioned the Chess World Championship for 40 years. Then, FIDE lost its credibility.

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Except that the boxing title belongs to the WBC or WBA or IBF or WBO or WBF ...not those fans and not the titleholder.

So if a fighter runs off...he is stripped of his title.

In chess it was even worse -- the title belongs to FIDE. FIDE is comprised of 150+ national federations. It is not just FIDE -- it is the combined interests of those 150 member states. And if you are a member of a national federation (i.e. USCF), then you have a stake in FIDE. And in FIDE's property. Ergo, in the world title.

Kasparov didn't just run off with FIDE property. He ran off with YOUR property. My property. Everyone's property. Certainly NOT his property.

And I'd tell him that to his face -- he stole the world title from millions of people. Thnak god - and thank Kirsan -- that we finally got it back after a decade.

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"Thnak god - and thank Kirsan -- that we finally got it back after a decade."

Amen! Hallelujah my Brother! I have seen the light! All bow down to Kirsan, for he is the chosen one!!

Very extreme view. Built up with a tiny snippet of truth out of context and tons of personal oppinion arround. If you dont't take it serious yourself, I would recommend you a career as politician.

For a quick break from chess politics... here's an interview with Ruslan Ponomariov. Apart from the Olympiad there's also Ponomariov on music, Rubenesque women and Topalov's culinary tips: http://tinyurl.com/369xcbl

(Thomas, I added the bit about Karpov from the earlier German interview - as you'll spot they're pretty similar!)

Great publicity and all that (I suppose) but when are we going to have a top competition again, with all the big guns?? Call me old fashioned, but Carlsen modelling leaves me cold; Carlsen the Chess player is fascinating.

Maurice Ashley makes me cringe. What about an event where nothing has to be hyped, and its all about the Chess on the board? If this is the price that you have to pay to make top events happen, and the best stay in Chess, fine. But wake me up when some Chess is being played.

Question: d_tal wants to be woken up when some Chess is being played. What should we do?

The Answer: Let him sleep. It will be good for him and good for us.

The Kraziness continues:
http://www.chessdom.com/news-2010/fide-chess-center-twin-towers-new-york

"FIDE has requested the New York authorities to sell the land of the Twin Towers to create a chess center, announced FIDE President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov at a press conference on Thursday."

A Chess "Mosque" is coming to Ground Zero and Kirsan is offering the super large sum of 10 million? For this money he can rent a small space to use as a launchpad for an alien spacecraft that will take him away for good this time.

I don't know whom you mean/include among "big guns" ... . Regarding the top 5, the forthcoming 4 1/2 months have
- the Olympiad with Carlsen, Topalov, Kramnik and Aronian (but not Anand)
- Bilbao with Anand, Carlsen, Kramnik [and Shirov]
- Nanjing with Topalov, Carlsen and Anand
- European Club Cup with Aronian and - if I counted correctly - 22 other 2700ers
- Tal Memorial (field still not known?)
- London with Anand, Carlsen and Kramnik
- Corus with Kramnik, Carlsen and Anand

Bilbao and Nanjing are double round robins, so Carlsen will play six games against Anand, and four against Kramnik ... .

Can't wait Thomas! Sounds mouthwatering...

True, he's stripped of the Title--but not the Boxing Fans' esteem. That's the point: a broad consensus develops that Boxer X is indeed the best Boxer in that (or in those) Weight Classification(s), then it is trivial whether his Title is sanctioned
/recognized by the WBC, the WBO, or the IBF, etc...
In Boxing, it is a common occurrence for Boxers to be stripped of their Title. One group, say the WBC, mandates that Champion X fight Challenger A for his next match, while (say) the WBO will demand that Champ X fight Challenger B next. These are mutually exclusive conditions, and whatever the Champ does, he will be stripped of one Title or the other. Whichever group that Champ X stays with (probably the one that offers the best conditions and biggest Prize Fund), Boxing fans are likely to still deem him to be the "Real" champion, not some replacement pretender who gains the title by default and diktat, with a lot of obvious corruption thrown in. The WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, and WBF titles are just commodities, which hold little meaning for the Boxing community

Since you have no trouble with rival organizations governing the Boxing world, there should be no objection to rival international chess organizations governing the World of Chess. The more the merrier! Competition is better than a moribund monopoly. Let the "market" sort things out. The chess public can decide for themselves whether FIDE's WC title holder (e.g. Khalifman) has more or less validity as Champion than does a "stripped" player such as Kasparov. What is there to fear, Eric?

Surely, it is possible to have FIDE World Champion, AND a (Brand X) World Chess Champion?

Answer this Eric:

If FIDE were to completely cease operations tomorrow, and just wink out of existence (Bankrupt--kaputt--Poof), do you think that the very idea of the World Chess Champion will simultaneously disappear? There were 5 nearly universally acclaimed and recognized Chess Champions BEFORE FIDE took control of the World Championship Title, and there will be World Champions which are recognized by the Public after the Chess World is rid of FIDE.

FIDE doesn't own the Title of World Chess Champion. It simply administers the Title, in trust, on behalf of the larger Chess World. Of course, FIDE has long ago lost that trust, and every week there are new outrages which aggravate the misfeasances and malfeasances. So FIDE ought to be stripped of its administrative duties by the public, which can be don de facto by simply refusing to recognize FIDE Titles. If a viable rival Chess organization comes into being, all the better.

I'd prefer for the USCF to quit FIDE straight off; probably other national federations will follow suit.

"I'd prefer for the USCF to quit FIDE straight off; probably other national federations will follow suit."

If Kirsan remains in charge of Fide, I agree with Doug. Kirsan is just 48 years old. With the rigged Fide election system, he could be in charge for another 30 years, and that would be a pathetic joke.

The guy is absolutely nuts and everyone knows it. No sane business would invest any significant money sponsoring Fide events, so long as that lunatic is in charge.

Bail from Fide, start a rival organization. It sucks having to do that, but Kirsan isn't going to step down on his own and he has the system rigged to keep him in power.

"- Tal Memorial (field still not known?)"

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Magnus will not play the regular Tal Memorial (4-13 Nov). But he will defend his title in the World Blitz Championship in Moscow (16-18 Nov).

(Source: Norwegian media)


lwolf howls:

"The guy [Kirsan] is absolutely nuts and everyone knows it."

True. And Kaspy is not far behind, denying one thousand years of history. One was abducted, the other one is deluded.

"No sane business would invest any significant money sponsoring Fide events, so long as that lunatic is in charge."

They didn't invest before the lunatic, either. Sad :-(

"Bail from Fide, start a rival organization."

Kaspy tried that, brand-new rating system and World Title included. It was called the "PCA" - suffice it to say that it failed miserably and Kaspy has since admitted that leaving FIDE was the worst move he ever made; he even went pro-Kirsan in a misguided effort to get the title back from The Painter.

"Kirsan isn't going to step down on his own and he has the system rigged to keep him in power."

True, but he will be loved for as long as he can spread some much-needed money around. Your only hope for "complete removal" is that he goes broke or is abducted again. Death is not a possibility, because he will just re-incarnate again.

Irv,

It looks like you agree with what I said with some minor exceptions.

You keep claiming there's never been and never will be major corporate sponsorship of Chess.

There was support from Intel for the PCA. They were providing 5 million a year in funds for almost 3 years, and only withdrew support when Kasparov played a computer match against their competitor IBM's Deep Blue.

Carlsen is getting corporate sponsorship now, just not in the name of Fide.

There's no reason to believe Fide could not get corporate sponsorship with Kirsan out. With him in, just forget it. His reputation is tainted to say the least.

You keep comparing Karpov and Kasparov to Kirsan, as if that makes any sense at all. That's where I think you are getting delusional. A large corporation looking at advertising, by supporting Fide, would have few problems if Karpov, a former world champion, was in charge. You have to realize, Karpov wasn't visited by aliens. There's no persistant rumours of Karpov murdering his enemies. Karpov does not advertise himself relying on clairvoyants for decision making. In other words, Karpov does not appear to be a nut.

Appearances are everything Irv, and neither Kasparov or Karpov are viewed as nuts. Now maybe you have some inside information that shows otherwise, but that doesn't matter. In the eyes of the world, these two appear quite stable.

You also repeat the well known fact of the PCA and it's demise as proof an alternative to Fide cannot exist. I'm sorry Irv, but the PCA's failure is not proof of anything, other than it's own demise. You should take a course in logic at your local junior college if you don't understand that.

You also mention all this money that Kirsan is going to continue to spread around. With the loss of his job as beloved leader of Kalmykia, it's highly unlikely that trend can continue, if it even was a trend to begin with.

Anyway, besides the above points, I think we are in agreement.

Just to add... today in Moscow a notorious mobster (some newspapers claim the most powerful in the former Soviet Union) was shot - initially the police announced he was dead but it seems that was a tactical decision and he's just wounded. What's that got to do with Ilyumzhinov? Someone who sounds like a reliable witness claims Ilyumzhinov entered a restaurant with the gangster yesterday.

I'm not a fan of Kasparov's (note he's not the candidate), and Karpov's not an inspiring choice, but they're a world away from Ilyumzhinov.

You're poorly informed, Wolf - and we are far from agreeing (but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy your passionate posts!)

Kasparov is as delusional as Kirsan, being an ardernt fan of fomenko and his "New Chronology" (look it up).

As for me needing a "course in logic", I don't think it is necessary in light of Kaspy not being able to produce the sponsorship you so desire when he had ample chance. The PCA has everything that FIDE was "lacking", including the leadership (Kasparov & hand-picked cronies) you wish for FIDE today. How come the sponsorship was not knocking on the door beyond the Intel money (specifically allocated to big matches and events featuring Kasparov, not chess in general)?

What makes you believe that Kaspy will succeed now when he failed miserably in two previous tries (in all fairness, it should be said he has failed at everything he tried beyond the 64 squares)? Why do you think he called his anti-FIDE maneuvers "the worst mistake of my life"?

"I'm not a fan of Kasparov's (note he's not the candidate), and Karpov's not an inspiring choice, but they're a world away from Ilyumzhinov. "

Being a "better person" than Kirsan is not enough to qualify as FIDE President. That the problem with the KK candidacy.

The KK duo bring a long history of dishonesty, greed and utter incompetence to the table. Why should anyone want that for FIDE? Yes, Kirsan should go, but he should be replaced by a better alternative. That's the real problem here.

Kasparov will mismanage and ultimately destroy FIDE, the same way he has mismanaged and ultimately destroyed the GMA, the PCA, the Kasparov Online Academy and even his own "political" career.

"Why do you think he called his anti-FIDE maneuvers "the worst mistake of my life"?"

Not sure Irv, but too me that gives him more credibility not less. He admits making a mistake. What's wrong with that?

Like I said before though, it doesn't matter what you think Irv. In the world media neither Karpov or Kasparov are perceived as delusional. In fact, I think you are in a very small minority on that one.

Ha ha, in the world media Kasparov is perceived as a failed politician and the man who lost to Deep Blue. Now, I don't think that's fair, but that's the way it is!!

lwolf howls:

"Not sure Irv, but too me that gives him more credibility not less. He admits making a mistake. What's wrong with that?"

I never said admitting his mistake is wrong or bad. I stated that his repeated failures are a very reliable indicator of his incompetence. That's all.

I guess we have reached a point where you have clarly expressed your position and I have expressed mine. So, I'll leave it alone for a while. Readers will draw their own conclusions, and that's a good thing!

Thank you, Wolf. Your input is appreciated.

My neck is getting sore from watching this tennis match.

"Kasparov will mismanage and ultimately destroy FIDE, the same way he has mismanaged and ultimately destroyed the GMA, the PCA, the Kasparov Online Academy and even his own "political" career."

Here's a pretty good article with differing viewpoints on Kasparov's involvement with GMA, PCA, the Short/Kasparov match, and Intel's sponsorship.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=253

Your summary of Kasparov's accomplishments is a bit scurrilous and uninformed to say the least. Besides, Karpov is running against Kirsan, and all you can talk about is Kasparov.

Your freakish loathing of Kasparov is disturbing. Have you been talking to Aliens lately, Irv?

The problem with the PCA is that it was never intended to compete with FIDE; rather, it was created to complement it. The PCA was never really a rival or competitor organization to FIDE; hence, FIDE was never made completely obsolete.
FIDE was left with its membership of National Federations, its system of awarding Norms and Titles.

The PCA was supposed to cater only to Professional Chess Players, not to the "Rank and File" players that form the vast majority of the global chess community. Its mandate was to run nice "Professional" events with clean Intel money. It had a cute little rating list too.

Yes, Kasparov did suck up the $$: the benefits largely redounded to him.

A new alternative organization to FIDE should also be a Federation, and should aim to poach the major (Western) Federations from FIDE. It would be much more stable that a mere organization of lone wolves ...er...Elite players

"Yes, Kasparov did suck up the $$: the benefits largely redounded to him."

You could say he sucked up the $$, but that makes it sound like he took some kind of excessive management fee or something. He got paid for winning events. If someone else had won those events, they would have sucked up the money. It was fair at least. I'm sure you are aware of that btw, but just wanted to clarify.

Another note about all these so-called failures, including his political ambitions. In all cases, Kasparov has been an underdog to larger organizations trying to impede his progress. The odds were always against him regarding the chances of long term success. Yes, he screwed up big time playing Big Blue with Intel sponsoring PCA. The WC split from Fide was a miscalculation to say the least. But I can put a finger on these issues, and Kasparov has acknowledged these errors. I have a hard time holding that against him myself. That was a long time ago.

LWolf howls:

"Here's a pretty good article with differing viewpoints on Kasparov's involvement with GMA, PCA, the Short/Kasparov match, and Intel's sponsorship.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=253"

Oh, Wolf, Wolf, Wolf....that's Kasparov's own version of events, written by Mig, his longtime employee. But you probably knew that, didn't you?


"Your freakish loathing of Kasparov is disturbing."

Actually, I don't hate Kasparov at all - I have great admiration for his supreme skill as the strongest player ever (not the most talented, though - I think Karpov and Capa share those honors). But I have to be objective about Kasparov the politician - and the truth is not pretty in that respect, I'm afraid. Wish it were different, though...


"Have you been talking to Aliens lately, Irv?"

Nope, but I admit it must be a fascinating experience.

"at the Bled Chess Olympiad, having his turn for a move, but just seeing Ilyumzhinov in the playing hall, Kasparov rushed to hug and kiss him under the approving roar of the audience. The same year Kasparov in fact started a campaign against Ilyumzhinov’s “chase” by media, praising the achievements of the latter in his capacity as Kalmykia’s state figure and a unique world chess leader. “Kommersant” newspaper wrote: “ The most expensive present was handed to Kirsan Ilyumzhinov by a chess player Garry Kasparov – his assurances in sincere friendship and his support of all the initiatives as FIDE President, and recognition of his being wrong in the past”. Quote from “Moskovsky Komsomolets”: “Kasparov underlined that now they are connected by business and commercial relations, which sometimes are stronger than friendly ties”.

The result of these in my opinion, humiliating speeches of Kasparov was the famous Prague Agreement and the right for a FIDE World championship title without any sporting qualification, which actually was canceled the last moment. Ponomariov refused to play the match due to very strong pressure from Kasparov himself and a number of FIDE officials. Karpov at that period was accusing Kasparov in destructive activity: “Kasparov has made many mistakes. The situation in FIDE and the fact that the former harmonious World Chess Championship system is now turned into something incomprehensible – this is the result of Kasparov’s intrigues and activity”. Then chess circles had the following ironical saying: “President of FIDE and Kalmykia now has only clean banknotes. So Kasparov can play for them with his conscience being clear”.

2004. After Kasimdzhanov becomes new World knockout Champion, Kasparov of course receives a right to play a match for the title against him. Ilyumzhinov refused to personally provide the prize fund, and Kasparov failed to attract other sponsors. Years of public humiliation were wasted, he did not manage to return his title, and Kasparov again joins Ilyumzhinov’s opposition.

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http://reports.chessdom.com/news-2010/bareev-kasparov-karpov

A new alternative organization to FIDE should also be a Federation, and should aim to poach the major (Western) Federations from FIDE. It would be much more stable that a mere organization of lone wolves ...er...Elite players

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No, it would suffer the same problem -- that the elite players believe a federation (aka FIDE) should devote 100% of its time and resources to their issues (i.e. help them make money).

But the western national federations are *not* unions for titled players. Most are dedicated to amateur chess...and spend only a fraction of their resources on elite events or issues. In fact, if they spend too much time on them, they tend to go broke from lack of funding to their core amateur businesses.

So the friction (elite = pay me vs. amateur business model = promote chess) is always there.

PCA was for the elites -- it failed because the elites cannot govern themselves (they would rather play chess)...and because they cannot agree to defer small advantages jockeying for power now in order to reap the rewards of cycle stability.

FIDE has the burden of servicing the issues of the elites (e.g. world title cycle) along with promoting chess (e.g. various lesser regional events). It also has the responsibility of saying "no" to the elites when it comes to keeping the title cycle constant and free from frequent manipulation. It has to govern these activities...not just do whatever the elites want this minute...next minute.

This is the same friction USCF faces -- it is funded by amateurs buying memberships and earning ratings...yet faces the constant drumbeat of "why can't the top US players earn a living at chess" or "why aren't more US players earning titles" or "why is so little effort being made to create new elite US players"...etc.

But USCF is not a titled-player-generating machine.

FIDE is not one either.

Both organizations are designed to set rules, run cycles, and let players play. If they do that, then the players take care of themselves by playing in fair events.

PCA vs. FIDE is not a fair comparison because PCA never had the burden of running all those amateur events...providing governance structure for 150 federations...or rating services for non-elite events. And it still failed -- primarily due to personality issues at the top.

People are too glib to say "throw FIDE away" -- the FIDE model works...but not in a sexy way. It works in a quiet....marathon....keep things running kind of way.

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Irv, you and your cohorts Chesspride and Hcl, post all this negative stuff primarily about Kasparov. What's the worst thing you can come up with?

- hijacking the World Championship?

- losing intel's sponsorship?

- being part of a couple of failed chess organizations?

You guys are unbelievable. You have a known crook running Fide now. A loose cannon, that has to negotiate with Khadafi and Saddam Hussein for sponsorship because no legitimate organization wants to be seen with him.

And you would prefer this maniac to remain in charge??

I think Susan Polgar is also on Kirsan's side, maybe she knows him personally or something.

I'm just flabbergasted that there's any doubt this guy needs to go. A world champion as the head of Fide would be an vast improvement PR wise. Kirsan is poison and you can't even see it.

Amazing.

chesshire cat replied to comment from lwolf:

"Ha ha ha ha ha ha, ho ho ho ho, in my world Kasparov is perceived as a failed politician and the man who lost to Deep Blue. Now, I don't think that's fair, but that's the way it is in my world!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha he he he he he ho ho ho ho ho ho hi hi hi hi hi hi hi" http://tiny.cc/y522h

Hmmm. Next time try the decaf, Bobby!

Here's GM Mikhail Golubev on the story I mentioned before of Ilyumzhinov meeting arguably the most influential Russian "godfather" the day before he was shot yesterday: http://detiarbata.livejournal.com/235557.html

You could add that some reports mention Usoyan is officially registered in Kalmykia and started his "career" in Southern Russia.

"Irv, you and your cohorts Chesspride and Hcl, post all this negative stuff primarily about Kasparov. What's the worst thing you can come up with?"

The worst I can come up with is that Kasparov is not qualified to run FIDE.

He is not academically qualified: he is just a chessplayer, and FIDE must be run as a business. FIDE (like the NBA, PGA, MLB, etc.) needs a professional, not a top player. Tiger Woods is not qualified to run the PGA; as simple as that.

He is not morally qualified: there are plenty of instances that show Kasparov's crooked, unethical nature (the touch-move Polgar incident, his on-off loyalty to Kirsan, his old battles with now-buddy Karpov, etc.)

He is not financially qualified: he has no proven track of being able to successfully secure financial resources to run an entity like FIDE. His utter failure at running his two previous enterprises (GMA, PCA) casts a large shadow on Kasparov's competence.

He is not mentally qualified: his adherence to Fomenko's "New Chronism" (denying thousands of years of history) sohw Kasparov to be as lunatic as Kirsan's penchant for alien contact. One is abducted, the other is deluded. Fine choices, gentlemen...


"You guys are unbelievable. You have a known crook running Fide now. A loose cannon..."

True. Kirsan is a complete lunatic and crooked to boot. You won't get me to deny the truth.


"And you would prefer this maniac to remain in charge??"

Nope. I don't want Kirsan to remain in charge. I want a replacement that offers real hope of bringing positive change to FIDE. The KK duo is not that replacement, for the reasons amply explained above.

"I'm just flabbergasted that there's any doubt this guy needs to go."

There is no doubt he needs to go. I agree with you on this.

"A world champion as the head of Fide would be an vast improvement PR wise."

FIDE doesn't need a shallow, short-lived PR stunt (assuming your assertion is true), just like the NBA would not benefit from naming LeBron James NBA President. FIDE needs a team of competenet business professionals that bring knowledge, experience, vision and a clean agenda to the table. Then, we can hope for a bright future. As it is now, getting rid of Kirsan and replacing him with the KK Duo is going from bad to worse.


"Kirsan is poison and you can't even see it."

Kirsan is poison, no question about it. But, unfortunately, so is the KK Duo.

"Amazing."

Yes, in a sad way.

Q. Kirsan or Karpov?

A. I hate Kasparov I hate Kasparov I hate Kasparov

The general Assembly of FIDE 2010 will take place during the Olympiad in Khanty-Mansiysk. The Agenda can be downloaded here: http://tiny.cc/ar2c4

Under post 5.2.1 Ukraina has proposed the following change in the FIDE Electoral Regulations (Annex 7): “No person can be elected to a position of FIDE President for more than two consequential terms”. http://tiny.cc/iqttu

Here is the reply form Kirsan & Co:
-The Presidential Board recommends rejection of this proposal.

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As can be clearly understood, Kirsan is not satisfied with his 4 periods (1995-2010 = 16 years) …

When people occupy powerful positions for too long time, they become house warm. Knowing that nobody will replace you in the near future allows more corruption and dishonesty. 2 cycles should be enough for an organization like FIDE, out of elementary democratic reasons.

I am curious Thomas that when did the news regarding the field in Nanjing come out? I see the names that you mention on the official website http://www.chess-pearlspring.com/www/chess_pk/2009/en/index.htm

But I cant find the schedule. Neither can I find any news anywhere which mentioned this big event. I mean this is really a big event with Anand, Carlsen, Topalov.

The tournament homepage for Nanjing has never been very helpful, at least for those who cannot read Chinese. Chessdom had announced the field (after all, Topalov participates and Danailov is sort of involved in the organization), but even there it's no longer "visible". It is mentioned at TWIC, if you scroll far down on the frontpage (entry dated 10th August).

More intriguing is the lack of info on the Tal Memorial - also mentioned by Mark Crowther giving 4-13 November as "likely dates"(sic) and writing "Info needed". Generally, such events always invite the winner from last year - but on his own homepage Kramnik only mentions Olympiad, London and Corus (he didn't update it to include Bilbao).
What's going on? Given the "situation" within the Russian federation, do things depend on the outcome of the FIDE elections?? But then there would be only one month between the elections and the 'likely' start of the event ... .

May be Tal Memorial is the surprise package and will include Anand, Carlsen, Topalov, Kramnik and Aronian. Atleast Topalov will have no problems playing in Moscow as even though its in Russia it is not tied with the wch cycle.

Earlier (5-6 yrs), the beginning of the year promised the most with with corus and linares. With the coming of Tal, London, Bilbao and Nanjing there has been a clear shift and with the Dormunds and M-tels taking care of the middle of the year -- it is something really good for chess.

The dates for the events according to chessvibes calendar http://www.chessvibes.com/chess-events-calendar/

Nanjing: Oct 20th -- not known end date
This leaves Anand and Carlsen only 5 days from end of Bilbao.

Tal Memorial: Nov 5th-14th

Bobby Fiske mentioned (source: Norwegian media) that Carlsen will not play the Tal Memorial, only the World Blitz Championship "side event" - that's all we know so far (who will NOT participate), and only because we have a Norwegian fellow blogger ,:) . I still doubt that Topalov will play - he doesn't like Russians, hence Russian (organizers) don't like him!? Ivanchuk seems a very likely participant, because he doesn't seem to play anything else but the Olympiad in the coming months.

I would say there are almost too many top events, for two reasons:
- How can the players handle it, including intercontinental travel (of course it's nice to have a top event in China)? Will it affect the quality of their play?
- A strong event as the European Club Cup is right after Bilbao, and overlaps with Nanjing. Will it get the attention it deserves? From a German perspective, Carlsen and Anand cannot represent Baden-Baden because they are busy in China at the same time ... .

"Nope. I don't want Kirsan to remain in charge. I want a replacement that offers real hope of bringing positive change to FIDE"

Irv, that's just bs you are vomiting up now. You sound like some politician with nothing to say. "real hope" "positive change", jeez.. do you have any more meaningless platitudes you'd care to puke out?

"just like the NBA would not benefit from naming LeBron James NBA President"

The NBA has no problems promoting their sport, and they don't have a known criminal running their operation, so the LeBron analogy is just asinine. I think you really should take a course in logic as I suggested earlier. Some of the stuff you are spewing now doesn't even make sense.

"He is not mentally qualified: his adherence to Fomenko's "New Chronism" (denying thousands of years of history) sohw Kasparov to be as lunatic as Kirsan's penchant for alien contact"

This is the second time you brought up this subject, and I had to look it up. Here's the exact article Karparov wrote that bolster's your claim:

http://www.new-tradition.org/view-garry-kasparov.html

You either haven't read Kasparov's article or you are intentionally disparaging him by making duplicitous statements like the one above. I'm hoping you haven't read the article, because otherwise, you are flat out lying now to support your arguments.

"getting rid of Kirsan and replacing him with the KK Duo is going from bad to worse."

Irv, there's nothing you've said that would make me think this to be true. You obviously dislike Kasparov, and therefore deem Karpov unworthy of replacing Kirsan. Do you realize how convoluted and confused that sounds? But that's what I'm hearing when I read most your posts friend.

Sorry for the double post, I meant this as a reply.

"Nope. I don't want Kirsan to remain in charge. I want a replacement that offers real hope of bringing positive change to FIDE"

Irv, that's just bs you are vomiting up now. You sound like some politician with nothing to say. "real hope" "positive change", jeez.. do you have any more meaningless platitudes you'd care to puke out?

"just like the NBA would not benefit from naming LeBron James NBA President"

The NBA has no problems promoting their sport, and they don't have a known criminal running their operation, so the LeBron analogy is just asinine. I think you really should take a course in logic as I suggested earlier. Some of the stuff you are spewing now doesn't even make sense.

"He is not mentally qualified: his adherence to Fomenko's "New Chronism" (denying thousands of years of history) sohw Kasparov to be as lunatic as Kirsan's penchant for alien contact"

This is the second time you brought up this subject, and I had to look it up. Here's the exact article Karparov wrote that bolster's your claim:

http://www.new-tradition.org/view-garry-kasparov.html

You either haven't read Kasparov's article or you are intentionally disparaging him by making duplicitous statements like the one above. I'm hoping you haven't read the article, because otherwise, you are flat out lying now to support your arguments.

"getting rid of Kirsan and replacing him with the KK Duo is going from bad to worse."

Irv, there's nothing you've said that would make me think this to be true. You obviously dislike Kasparov, and therefore deem Karpov unworthy of replacing Kirsan. Do you realize how convoluted and confused that sounds? But that's what I'm hearing when I read most your posts friend.

Kasp's iffy article does make me question his judgment, but only 1/100 as much as Illyum's space travels...

But more generally, this exemplifies why I don't want ex-Soviets in responsible positions (this goes for Kasp, Karpov, and also Illyum)... they're mindfudged, brainwashed, and disorientated by hardcore communism, including the statist rewriting of all history from a crazy perspective.

For them, political backstabs, lying, and the Orwellian rewriting of history is a normal workday. They don't have the mentality to function like stable humans in an organization.

But, I understand the ease of the Russian Chronist to delete 1,000-year swathes of human history, as Russia was only founded as a minor city-state in, what, ~950AD, and required another 400-plus years to attain viability. Given the country did not exist, does not have the historical records, one could too easily say the period 1AD to 950AD SIMPLY DID NOT HAPPEN.

Do you blieve the blizzard of press on the Ilyumzhinov mosque-stite issue. Anybody who thinks for a second that this offer should be seriously entertained doesn't understand the facts:

-- This is only a sick publicity stunt. FIDE doesn't have $10 million. This offer was made "on behalf of the FIDE Presidential Board." While Ilyumzhinov himself may or may not have looted that kind of money from the treasury of impoverished Kalmykia, he would not need the Presidential Board's approval to spend his own money. There is simply no money to make this acquisition or to build or maintain any chess center. Period.

-- Ilyumzhinov said that if this outlandish bid were accepted, FIDE "will be built in the form of a chess figure, the king, of glass and concrete, which will decorate the city of New York." To the chess world, unfortunately well acquainted with Ilyumzhinov's delusions, this is reminiscent of prior fanciful claims. Ilyumzhinov previously promised financial support for chess through the establishment of 150 FIDE-owned hotels around the world built in the shape of chess pieces. Not one scintilla of that hallucination ever materialized, never will, and never could.

-- Even if FIDE had this type of wherewithal, which it manifestly does not, this offer would be a gross misjudgment. The mosque issue does not concern FIDE and offering a super-premium price for real estate in Manhattan and committing to a huge project at the spur of the moment would be a terrible abuse.

In short, this offer from a man who insists he was abducted by aliens should not be taken nor be discussed seriously other than to condemn the grotesque publicity stunt that it is.

Surely THIS should be the final nail in the coffin of that clown who is a never ending embarrassment to chess, Ilyumzhinov. This plainly shows why he should be kicked out for good. Somehow he probably believes that this asinine grandstand stunt, in all its resplendent stupidity, is actually good for chess. To say that this is a man of abbreviated mental faculties is an understatement. His grasp of reality is so slight and so arbitrary and so grotesque, an inadvertent surrealism becomes his guiding philosophy. The Kremlin apparently reached the sound conclusion that Ilyumzhinov is a nutjob that is beyond any control. How could any chess federation in the world think otherwise? Keeping him any longer at FIDE would be a valediction to all good sense.


"Given the country did not exist, does not have the historical records, one could too easily say the period 1AD to 950AD SIMPLY DID NOT HAPPEN. "

You guys are pathetic. There was nothing in the article that stated this, or even came close to implying or suggesting this. Kasparov's article questions the timeline of some events, and suggests a scientific method to determine the truth.

Yet, you post that text at the bottom of your comment, to imply some correlation to Kasparov. I'm disgusted.

Honestly, how can expect anyone to take you seriously when you resort to these kind of tactics?

Anyone know whats going on with Leko? His game seems to have taken a hit lately, but with the affluence of upcoming big league events, surely someone has called on him?

If the Kasparov essay only meant to casually opine - to that I have no objection.

But as a scholarly attempt... no good.

To observe Kasparov his reasoning ability, take just his first example:

- From Gibbons' estimate of a Roman army size of 375,000 (which Gibbons clearly states is his own extrapolation, not based on actual figures), Kasparov assumes this wholly conjuctural number as fact.

- Then Kasparov builds his castle in the sky in the following manner: the 375,000 soldiers would require a total population of 20 million, or 40 million, or 50 million to support, Kasp says. Where did he come up with these numbers? He made them up wholly of thin air, without any methodology.

- In the next step, he claims these population figures, which he made of thin air, show generally-accepted history is false.

- Even then, his whole reasoning apparatus collapses because Roman troops built farming colonies everywhere precisely to feed themselves (which Kasp apparently doesn't know - so thin is his historical knowledge… and yet he pontificates.)

- Then he makes some dubious claim that the soldiers’ alleged ability to do an emergency march of 20 miles in 6 hours - at a brisk but reasonable 3.3mph – is undoable and indicates a physical degeneration of humanity through the ages, though every year 25,000 ppl run the 26.2 mile NYC marathon in as little as 2 hours…

...and so forth.

"Though Fomenko's theories hold no water and are easily disproved, it has not stopped the public from buying his books or indulging in speculation. Russian chess master Gary Kasparov became a willing convert, opining that Fomenko's theories were a revelation because there "were too many discrepancies and contradictions that could not be explained within the framework of traditional chronology." (11) While it is exhilarating to think that accepted knowledge could be wrong, and that humanity is on the verge of a major revision of its history, in fact the entire enterprise is constructed on a foundation of flaws, inconsistencies, and errors. "

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id13.html

"As a professional historian, I am of course happy that mr. Kasparov is interested in history and has made an effort to familiarize himself with it; however, as I hope this following rebuttal will show, I am afraid that he has read neither enough nor the right history books.

Mr. Kasparov is known as a supporter of the pseudo-historical theory complex known as New Chronology, which has been developed by the Russian matematician Professor Anatoly T. Fomenko. Briefly put, New Chronology attempts to prove through the use of statistics and other methods that all of known human history has taken place in the period between 1000 CE and today. Thus, any source or artifact believed to be older than one thousand years is either misdated or a forgery.

Professor Fomenko's New Chronology will be discussed in greater detail elsewhere. Here, we will limit ourselves to a discussion of mr. Kasparov's arguments and the assumptions behind them"

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http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Kasparov's_Mathematics_of_the_Past

Criticize the article all you want. There is some conjecture in it, and the sources are limited too. The problem is, some individuals are claiming Kasparov has bought into the "new chronology", whence the middle ages are stricken from the timeline. You even imply this in your previous post.

There's a Wikipedia article on Fomenko's theories, where Kasparov is mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.orghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

The article specifically states: "Kasparov does not support the reconstruction part of the New Chronology" There's even a Russian language source to document that statement.

Yet you and Irv are throwing around this notion that Kasparov is wacky because he believes the middle ages didn't happen.

If you repeat it enough, some people might start believing you.

You have the main article Kasparov wrote that just supports a review of some historical time lines, and the Russian language source that indicates you guys are making this crap up.

What the hell is wrong with you stooges?

"Yet you and Irv are throwing around this notion that Kasparov is wacky because he believes the middle ages didn't happen. "

Not only that. Kasparov "The Scholar" is the author of such "historical jewels" as this one (from the link I provided before):

"Today, we are unable to build simple objects made in ancient times in the way they were originally created -this in a time when technology has produced the space shuttle and science is on the brink of cloning the human body!"

We can only wish he had given us an example of these "simple objects" we can't create in spite of today's technology.

Maybe Kirsan's alien friends are messing with poor Kasparov's mind? :-)

"What the hell is wrong with you stooges?"

Well, that article is pretty damn weak. He's out of his league, so why not leave the issue to trained historians? Colour me disappointed.

floppy, I don't have a clue how the text you quoted relates to your subsequent comment. Explain.

My post was a reaction to the paper written by Kasparov, although in hindsight I see that the connection was not exactly 100% clear. My apologies.

wolf claims:

"There's a Wikipedia article on Fomenko's theories, where Kasparov is mentioned.

http://en.wikipedia.orghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Fomenko)

The article specifically states: "Kasparov does not support the reconstruction part of the New Chronology" There's even a Russian language source to document that statement."

True. however, there is another wikipedia article that clearly states Kasparov is a supporter of fomenko's theories:

"Kasparov is reported to be a supporter of Anatoly Fomenko's New Chronology.[74][75]"

This is from wikipedia's Kasparov's biography:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Kasparov

As you can see, this another case of kasparov trying to distance himself from the mess he creates (much like he distanced himself from Kirsan when he failed in his quest for a shortcut to a title match). The evidence that he is (or was) a New Chronology supporter is overwhelming, including this telegraph article:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1311163/Email-from-Russia.html

But unearthing all this irrefutable evidence is not really necessary - a cursory reading of Kasparov's article makes things clear to everyone. But then again, maybe he didn't write the article and it is just a vast conspiracy - remember when kasparov was "accidentally" made a board member of the "National Security Advisory Council of Center for Security Policy?".

(same link to Kasparov's biography - full quote below:


"In April 2007, it was asserted[37] that Kasparov was a board member of the National Security Advisory Council of Center for Security Policy,[33] a "non-profit, non-partisan national security organization that specializes in identifying policies, actions, and resource needs that are vital to American security".[34] Kasparov confirmed this and added that he was removed shortly after he became aware of it. He noted that he did not know about the membership and suggested he was included in the board by an accident because he received the 1991 Keeper of the Flame award from this organization."

I didn't start questioning Kasparov's judgment until I read that article a few hours ago... Kasp turns out to be just another patzer of a thinker. (This I would not have suspected of him otherwise...)

Of course many comments ago I realized lwolf must come from the KK Team, because he uses standard political tactics, mainly:

1) If you have absolutely no argument in politics, *accuse the other guy of being insane*.

So I don't actually expect substantive answer to my overwhelmingly obvious points (e.g., Who is Richard A. Conn?) Furthermore, I say to lwolf: you guys ought to hide that Kasp article as best possible. Because it's an unmitigated disaster and there's no explaining it away.

"Anyone know whats going on with Leko? His game seems to have taken a hit lately, but with the affluence of upcoming big league events, surely someone has called on him?"

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At the closing ceremony of his recent rapid match against Gelfand, Leko announced that he was taking a one year break from professional chess. [Source: Susan Polgar's Blog and others]

"1) If you have absolutely no argument in politics, *accuse the other guy of being insane*."

hcl, I've made my case and I'm not going to bother repeating it.

My basic argument comes down to this:

Kirson needs to go. His reputation in the world media is so bad, that no legitimate business entity wants to be associated with him.

Karpov is a suitable replacement. His reputation is untarnished. He's mostly known as a former World Chess Champion. It's also known that he's an avid stamp collector.

With Kirsan out, there's a good possibility of getting real corporate sponsorship for Fide.

You stooges, have basically been posting nonsense, conspiracy theories, erroneous facts, innuendo etc. about Kasparov, who's not even running for a position in Fide. So, first - we have to buy into debatable arguments about Kasparov's character, then we have to buy into this theory that Kasparov is the puppet-master of Karpov.

Even if you can swallow that whole pie, and make it all true - it doesn't matter. Karpov will still be a good replacement for Kirsan, simply because the Worldwide media hasn't bought into your conspiracy theories. Corporate sponsorship can still be achieved. Companies won't have a problem associating their names with Fide and it's president Anotoly Karpov.

Unfortunately I have my doubts about Karpov's success running against Kirsan. I'm hoping for the best though.

That is all.

"The article specifically states: "Kasparov does not support the reconstruction part of the New Chronology" There's even a Russian language source to document that statement."

For what it's worth, it's from a Q&A session with a Russian news website. He says:

"I'm not a supporter of the Fomenko-Nosovsky theory. But as a man with an analytical train of thought I look very sceptically on the constructions and conclusions of official history. In my opinion, Fomenko-Nosovsky correctly noticed many flaws and inconsistencies in the official conception. But instead of continuing that work of questioning and demolishing the often mythological constructions, they came up with a new theory which, unfortunately, suffers from the same problems."

Interestingly (if unrelatedly) he also answers a question about his identity by saying he was born in a country whose capital was Moscow and he continues to live in a country whose capital is Moscow.

Richard A. Conn, Jr. is Managing Director of Conn International Group LLC, a Moscow/NY-based financial and legal advisory firm. Prior to founding CIG in 2003, Mr. Conn practiced international corporate law for nearly twenty years as an equity partner with the international law firm Latham & Watkins. He founded the firm's Moscow office in 1992 and managed it for four years prior to returning to U.S.

A longstanding member of the Board of Directors of the U.S.-Russia Business Council, Mr. Conn regularly consults with the World Bank, Members of Congress, and the Administration regarding Russian economic issues. He Co-Chaired the U.S.-Russia Business Council and American Chamber of Commerce (Moscow) joint initiative to facilitate Russian accession to WTO. He now serves as Strategic Advisor to DLA Piper US LLP, a 3,500 lawyer international law firm with 67 offices worldwide.

A graduate of Dartmouth College and Fordham University Law School, Mr. Conn clerked for the Honorable Gordon Thompson, Jr., Chief Judge of the U.S. District Court, Southern District of California, authored Collier Labor Law and the Bankruptcy Code and is fluent in Russian and Spanish.

Sergey Shipov's preview of the Olympiad at Crestbook (in my English translation): http://www.crestbook.com/node/1316

Gazzoids chess is great some of his other comments and views are abysmal - born in a country whose capital is moscow??? He was born in Baku the capital of azerbaijan. His sad and patethic "point" is that at the time it was a "part" of the USSR. From whatever angle you look at the comment its dumb. Please these attempts to distance himself from nonsensical "new history" make it worse. If he had said yeah I used to believe in it but now (after some study - even a bit of internet research) I realise its not valid. That I could digest - but that would be admitting that he had bought into some rubbish. Being good or even fantastic at chess doesnt make you ninto anything else - you can be a great chess player and a complete ahole - look at Nigel Short

-- This is only a sick publicity stunt. FIDE doesn't have $10 million. This offer was made "on behalf of the FIDE Presidential Board." While Ilyumzhinov himself may or may not have looted that kind of money from the treasury of impoverished Kalmykia, he would not need the Presidential Board's approval to spend his own money. There is simply no money to make this acquisition or to build or maintain any chess center. Period.

-- Ilyumzhinov said that if this outlandish bid were accepted, FIDE "will be built in the form of a chess figure, the king, of glass and concrete, which will decorate the city of New York." To the chess world, unfortunately well acquainted with Ilyumzhinov's delusions, this is reminiscent of prior fanciful claims. Ilyumzhinov previously promised financial support for chess through the establishment of 150 FIDE-owned hotels around the world built in the shape of chess pieces. Not one scintilla of that hallucination ever materialized, never will, and never could.

-- Even if FIDE had this type of wherewithal, which it manifestly does not, this offer would be a gross misjudgment. The mosque issue does not concern FIDE and offering a super-premium price for real estate in Manhattan and committing to a huge project at the spur of the moment would be a terrible abuse.

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I thought the FIDE "offer" of $10M for the plot in NYC was marketing genius.

It gets FIDE in the paper.

It gets chess in the paper.

IF Kirsan didn't have this image issue (i.e. aliens), they people would see it for what it is -- publicity.

Donald Trump certainly doesn't want to buy the plot either -- but his offer was for publicity too.

I think people read too much into these things...it was wicked good marketing for free space in the newspaper.

Nice preview, Daaim!

I posted slightly the wrong link for Shipov's preview. It should be: http://www.crestbook.com/en/node/1316 - it's the same text, but the surroundings are more English :)

Interesting that neither Daaim nor Sergey Shipov mention the fifth seed Hungary _at all_. Both Leko and Judit Polgar seem out of form and/or past their prime - on the other hand, maybe Leko's last excellent result was .... at the 2008 Olympiad.

Writing from the Netherlands: The Dutch team may be in for a surprise - they often overperform in team events and they have Giri as a not-so-secret weapon on board 4. But a medal would be too much to ask or expect!?

And if I were to bet, my money for gold would be on Ukraine - because not much money can be won betting on Russia?!

I don't understand...what's so dumb about it? Kasparov was born in the USSR whose capital is Moscow...that's a fact. He now resides in Russia, whose capital is...Moscow.

Moreover: How could Kasparov identify himself with the country (former Soviet republic) whose capital is Baku, given that he had to leave that city because of his Armenian roots?
Across generations, there are many chess players with somewhat similar biographies. How would Gelfand, Kamsky, Karjakin, Korchnoi, Naiditsch, Shirov, ... answer such a question? What should they answer to make andy happy??

Another good interview with Kramnik: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2010/09/kramnik-99-of-the-chess-world-was-rooting-for-anand/

Oddly enough he hadn't realised Carlsen was going to be at the Olympiad. There are some entertaining, if predictable, responses to Topalov/Danailov's recent comments on the Candidates Matches.

e.g. "For me it’s totally obvious that if it comes to our match – and we can only meet in the final – then Topalov will, of course, play. But in the meantime, as is his habit, he likes to make a lot of noise and scandals. I don’t intend to judge him, it’s his choice, but such a style disgusts me."

"you can be a great chess player and a complete ahole - look at Nigel Short"

Andy appears to be trolling.
First of all, Nigel Short is not a great chess player.Good, but not great.
Secondly, he is a very intelligent and witty guy.
Any can find out this from his articles published by Chessbase.

So, a world championship challenger is "good". Nice to see you keeping the standards high, like so many here.
And intelligent, witty people can't be aholes? Where'd you pull that from?

Don't know if you'd noticed, but chesshire cat is also a very intelligent and witty guy, which anyone can find out from reading his comments in the Daily Dirt.

Ha ha, now that's what I call a barbed compliment!

Top 10 Publicity Stunts of Kirsan

10) Holding Chess Olympiad in Siberia

9) Free Cellphones for every Kalmykian citizen (pending)

8) Close Encounters of the 4th Kind

7) "ToiletGate" ("There's no such thing as bad publicity")

6) Building Chess City in Elista (Seldom used)

5) Holding FIDE KO in Las Vegas, truly a "can't miss" publicity gambit (attended by literally Dozens of spectators)

4) Holding FIDE championship in glorious Tehran, Iran

3) Chess Uniforms (complete with helmets!) for players

2) Having Qaddafi's Libya host the FIDE WC (Israelis and Jews barred from partcipating...Oh. Well)

And the #1 bit of marketing genius by Kirasn:

1) Murdering Larissa Yudina


I think that Chesspride should apply for the job as Kirsan's #1 bootlicker, and he's even showing some promise as a henchman

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I thought the FIDE "offer" of $10M for the plot in NYC was marketing genius.

It gets FIDE in the paper.

"It gets chess in the paper."

Oh look, it's the Royal game of Crackpots!

"IF Kirsan didn't have this image issue (i.e. aliens), they people would see it for what it is -- publicity.

Donald Trump certainly doesn't want to buy the plot either -- but his offer was for publicity too.

I think people read too much into these things...it was wicked good marketing for free space in the newspaper."

1. Short is only as good or as bad or as great player as a Peter Leko or Michael Adams.

2. I was not aware that calling certain persons ‘dunderheads’ qualifies Short as an ahole.

I do not know what Short has done to be called an ahole. If you have any reasons for calling him so, please enlighten me too. (And, keep Topailov/ Chapnov out of it.)

1. All those players are near WC class. If these are only "good", you are already running out of adjectives for 2500 GMs, and what words will be left for players of your own rating? Don't know about you, but for me an FM is already "good", since he would usually win against me. I think that applies to most posters, though a few masters and above post too.

2. I did not say he was an ahole. I have an opinion on that, but the subject does not interest me and I will refrain from giving it. I said it was possible to be intelligent and witty and still be one. Your post implied the opposite. You can research him on the web and judge for yourself, either way.

@hansie
'I do not know what Short has done to be called an ahole. If you have any reasons for calling him so, please enlighten me too'.

Here goes, hansie.
1. Penning a most disrespectful obituary of Tony Miles.
2. Talking openly about sleeping with Tony Miles' grilfriend, as a gesture of revenge, notwithstanding the discomfiture of that lady who is still alive.
3. Throwing a tantrum in an open tournament a few years ago and refusing to play a re-paired game.
4. Breaking away from FIDE with GK to form the PCA.
5. Making disrespectful remarks about Jan Timman's analytical abilities.
6. Leering at and chasing my friend's friend's girlfriend at the 2009 London Chess Classic.

There's a few more but most British chessplayers can fill you in.
BTW, I do like Nigel Short, all considered.

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The country of kasparovs birth was Azerbaijan. His family name of course was Weinstein which he changed for political reasons Close relatives live in Baku to this day. Incidentally he was not forced out by troops this is complete fantasy. No one born in Romania, Bulgaria or armenia at that time etc would say they were born in the USSR its silly. The attempt to maintain the continuity of his "russian" identity is laughable. Azeri's were very much regarded as 2nd class citizens by muscovites - sneeringly referred to as turks. :)

Kasparov's reason for wanting to distance himself from his country is simple: he wants to be perceived as "Russian" by real Russians, so that he stands a better chance of becoming somebody in his political "career".

This attempt, of course, is a silly one. as silly as his attempts at denying so many other things. silliy becuse they can't be denied. A few quick examples:

1. He denied releasing the knight in the infamous game against Judith Polgar. Video footage of the game proved Kasparov was lying.

2. He denied his association with Kirsan and his praise of the lunatic FIDE President AFTER it was common knowledge Kirsan was a lunatic, crazy and criminal person. There is ample evidence - including pictures, witnesses, video and audio - of Kasparov prasing Kirsan, fully aware of Kirsan's serious crimes.

3. Kasparov single-handledly alienated IBM with his crazy accusations of cheating after his match with DeepBlue. A large amount of evidence surfaced that clearly proved Kasparov's accusations were completely unfounded. To this day, he has not apologized or accepted responsibility for his egregious behavior.

4. Kasparov was a supporter of Fomenko and his "New Chronology" theories - but he denied it ( in writing!) when it became obvious is was the stuff of lunatics. Too late: by then, he had written the infamous "Mathematics of the Past" article and had an interview published by the Telegraph where he admitted to fully supporting Fomenko's theories.


There is a more of this pattern of conduct, but you get the idea...

Are people just trolling or seriously meaning that Kasparov (together with Akopian) should feel like an Azeri because he was born in Azerbaijan?! Hopefully the former, as with the statements about Romanians and Bulgarians not claiming that they were born in the USSR (?!), otherwise it's just too sad. Kasparov is a Russian citizen since a long time and Azerbaijan isn't "his country". Obviously.

Hello to every body here I am. I am gone away for 2 moth and now I back to look a round and see what I see. Not many peoples left to talk. It good to see some bad peoples gone away but too bad some new bad ones taken the places. I do nto say who they are beucase then they yell at me and I not want peoples yelling at me. Anyway I may nto stay very long they told me staw away from bad peoples but who can say.

You are most welcome, International Master I M Stoopid ;-)

IM Stoopid we have missed you pithy comments and wise counsel.

Too bad for me that I opened my b** f** mouth too soon and posted before accessing Short's profile @ Wikipedia. In view of what is stated by you at #2, I agree with you that Short is indeed an ahole.
However, I would still continue to look forward to his witty writings ...

HEY MIG!! We need an Olympic thread. You can just open it and say here it is and save the pithy commentary for after the election:)

Did Yemen end up deliberately forfeiting its match vs. Israel? They were paired to play Israel in the 1st Round, and the results show 4 Forfeit losses. Senegal was paired, but never showed up, so Singapore (with GM Zhang Zhong as 1st Board!) also got a 4-0 win. Sao Tome and Principe (STP) is apparently Registered, but was not paired for the 1st Round. Neither Senegal nor Sao Tome are paired for the 2md Round. But Yemen is paired against Cameroon for the 2nd Round. It appears that Yemen was was present for the 1st Round Match against Israel--it just refused to play.

The strange thing is that some games were relayed, which were purported to be between the Israeli and Yemeni players. Perhaps the games were actually played, and the Yemeni Team Officials insisted that the official results be listed as Forfeit losses.

Does anybody have the story behind this match?

Bo. 11 Israel (ISR) Rtg - 85 Yemen (YEM) Rtg 4 : 0
11.1 GM Sutovsky Emil 2665 - FM Al-Hadarani Hatim 2264 + - -
11.2 GM Smirin Ilia 2657 - IM Al Qudaimi Basheer 2428 + - -
11.3 GM Rodshtein Maxim 2632 - CM Abdul Moula Sabri 2189 + - -
11.4 GM Mikhalevski Victor 2610 - IM Al-Zendani Zendan 2400 + - -

A bit of a controversy has erupted over the fact that Russia has fielded 5 teams in the Men's section. Previously, the policy had been to allow the host Country the privilige of having 2 teams, plus yet a 3rd Team if it was needed to Even Out the pairings. Those 3rd teams were almost always necessary, aince the fields usually turned out to have an odd # of teams .

But 5 teams is unprecedented, and there has been some grumbling on the part of other Nations.

Don't know if it posted, so will post again just in case, apologies if double posted:

http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/chessnews/events/39th-chess-olympiad-khanty-mansiysk-2010/grischuk-concedes-draw-on-top-board-for-russia-on-day-1

Ireland abu!! Well done Sam! Draw as Black v a 2760, must be the biggest scalp in Irish chess playing history? IM Kelly (bout 2420 then I think) beat Federov (above 2600 then) some years back, GM Baburin (about 2500 at the time) drew with White v Ivanchuck (above 2700 at time) , no other games come immediately to mind, if anyone else knows any...
I like these olympiads, watching the big names tear apart weaker opposition is very nice to watch, I find such mismatched games instructive as the top GMs pounce on the smallest inaccuracies and unleash lots of pretty little combos etc (apart fom the odd mishap, like here, which also is interesting).

This is from an interview I just translated with Grischuk (which should appear on Crestbook sometime soon):

"What do you feel when you’re about to play a player at the 2350-2400 level? Do you prepare for the game, what do you think during the game, and are you just as focussed or do you allow yourself to play automatically?

Grischuk: Of course I prepare, I focus, but deep down I hope to beat him with my bare hands."

:)

Next time he'll have to forget the bare hands and bring a stick! : ) So, 0.5/4, one step at a time, slowly but surely we're on the way to crushing Russia 4-0, in about 2090.

Russia board #2 game (Svidler) is also weird. The final position looks like black is only slightly better, but white has resigned. The time also looks fine. Anybody know why?

Hmmm? Black is a piece up for practically nothing.

Of course Sam Collins can be proud of himself, and you and Ireland can be proud of him. But upsets, at least on one board, seemed to be rule rather than exception today: The 20 top matches only had seven clean 4-0 sweeps (and this includes Israel-Yemen). Biggest upsets today were:
GM Smeets (Netherlands, 2669) - IM Munoz (Dominican Republic, 2361) 0-1
GM Hillarp Persson (Sweden, 2517) - CM Gajadin (Surinam, 2179) 0-1 [40.Qd2??]
Lin Chieh-Sheng ("Chinese Taipei", 1736) - GM Can (Turkey, 2500) 1-0 [44.-Bd4?? 45.Qc7 mate]

Sri Lanka also didn't play today, but is paired for the second round and is the only team with 1 match point. Did they have travel problems and were given a bye? There were problems with many charter flights to Khanty-Mansiysk, reportedly worst for those from Dubai ... .


It is also reported that Le Qang Liem (2701) lost to Khetho, Phemelo (2266); however there are some confusion over if this really did happen.

I am also a trained mathematician, and my newest research shows that in all likelyhood some years around the change of millenium were simply skipped! My research is based on the following sequence of numbers from historical (chess) records:

..., 1978, 1981, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010


Well, the knight on h5 cannot be protected, so Lopez would be down a minor piece. 24. g4 fxg3 25. Nxg3 Rxh1 things are lookin' pretty bad

It would be interesting to find out why the Sri Lanka (men) didn't play in the 1st Round. Unless the Sri Lankan team chartered a really small plane just for themselves, it doesn't much sense that they'd be arriving late. Moreover, the Sri Lankan women did play their match, losing 4--0 to Vietnam. Would the Men's and Women's teams have travelled separately?

Senegal and Sao Tome are not paired for the 2nd round, either.

Well, at least given the way it worked out, the Russia 5 team got a chance to play, whatever it was that Sri Lanka was doing. If Sri Lanka had gotten a forced Bye, you figure that they would have been granted the full 4 Game Points.

How long will the top teams be able to maintain perfect scores? There won't be many left, after the next round.

The game tells a different story ,:) : Black (Khetho) sacrificed a pawn to win a full rook to run into discovered check and mate - maybe some sources missed the final two moves?

Europe Echecs had mentioned this (supposed) upset but corrected themselves later on, i.e. it's no longer mentioned in the round 1 report. BTW, Robert Fontaine is one (of the few?) western journalists present in Khanty-Mansiysk, playing several roles:
- obviously focusing on the French teams
- involved in another campaign: Tromso bidding for the 2014 Olympiad
- a bit replacing Daaim Shabazz!? Several African teams are shown in a video, and (at the end) there is a short interview with a player from Burundi.
- helping his wife Kateryna Lahno?

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