I'm typing frantically to turn in a 70,000-word manuscript, oh, tonight, but thread is needed and thread will be done for the exciting Nakamura-Ponomariov clash that starts today in St. Louis. They play six classical games (hear that, FIDE?!) and then four rapids. Very different styles of play, both great fighters, both terribly strong. Nakamura's #8 on the current list, former FIDE champ Ponomariov #11. Should be a classic. It certainly can't be worse than what we've seen in Kazan for the past few weeks with, what, maybe three or four interesting classical games from twenty-four? Show'em how it's done, Saint Louie!
For some totally irrelevant trivia, the last time Nakamura played a match like this against a Ukrainian he destroyed Sergey Karjakin way back in 2004. The two-time US champ hasn't played classical chess since his electrifying Tata Wijk aan Zee win in January. There's no blitz here, which is good news for Ponomariov. Nakamura beat him twice at blitz in a Donostia playoff in 2009 and then twice again last year in Moscow. Their three classical encounters have all been drawn, including an exciting but surprisingly truncated affair this year at Tata. As for Ponomariov, his match cred is impressive well beyond his stunning 2001 FIDE KO championship run in Moscow as a teen. He made it to the final again in 2005, where he lost to Aronian, the quarters in 2007 when he lost to Kamsky, and the finals again in 2009 when Gelfand came out on top in a marathon. Of course Super Mariov's most famous match is one he never played, the one with Kasparov in 2003 that was to be part of the unification plan. But Ponomariov has long since recovered from that debacle and has been playing very well of late, if still inconsistently for stretches.
Games start at 3:30pm local time, 4:30 NY. (Not 1pm local as previously announced. Perhaps this is to give the Kazan matches time to finish, which is a good idea if so.) Official site. I just looked through all the press releases the St. Louis club sent out on the event and didn't see any mention of the prize fund or other specs like time control. Are they out there?
Lame bashing of candidates tournament is getting old Mig.
By the way, it's a lot easier to play "fighting" chess when you don't really have anything on the line.
Where can I sign your comment, rr?
It's really as Grischuk said: the favourite doesn't win -> blame the system.
The candidates matches are almost 2 weeks old and every day some people have to mention how bad the 4-games matches are etc. etc.
Why can't they just notice that at the beginning of the matches, discuss it, and then go on? Why do they have to write everything from bad to worse to catastrophic every day?
Oh I forgot. The "right candidates" are out, people are pi**ed and have to articulate their discomfort over and over again.
The time control for the matches will be the FIDE standard of 40 moves in 90 minutes, followed by the rest of the game in 30 minutes with a 30 second increment from move one.
Live video commentary (plus post-game interviews) of the match with Jennifer Shahade and IM John Donaldson at:
http://Livestream.com/USChess
I agree. For what it's worth, six game classical matches might have been preferable (but wouldn't have guaranteed decisive results avoiding tiebreaks). However, Grischuk and Gelfand will already play a total of (up to) 14 classical games - yep, Grischuk had a few non-games but we can't blame FIDE for that. That's less likely in exhibition matches with less at stake and less pressure. In any case, comparing St. Louis and Kazan isn't even apples and oranges, maybe apples and potatoes ... .
"in Kazan ... maybe three or four interesting classical games from twenty-four?"
I guess the two decisive games were interesting, beyond this each match - but Kramnik-Radjabov - had at least one interesting draw. That's already seven games (as a lower limit).
>>Grischuk had a few non-games but we can't blame FIDE for that.
Forget blame and just fix the system. If you allow classical matches to be decided by 30 min or 5 min chess then that's how some players will opt to decide them. Eliminate the tie breaks and reward the winner with a greater disproptionate share of the pot, and classical games will be more likely to be fought out. Add one classical round for tie-break and then call it match, tied or not.
"They play six classical games (hear that, FIDE?!)"
Hear what? And why? My niece is playing a 8-game 'classical' time control match with her aunt as we speak. So what? There has to be some format for a world championship and there is no one 'perfect' format. Period.
Becoming world champion requires lot more than just chess knowledge. Kudos to Grischuk for playing to his strengths. Kramnik's strategy of seeking no more than equality with black was exploited in a magnified way by Grischuk. And what if these matches were 8 games long and still seen all draws in classical, thus being decided in faster time controls? Increase to 10? 12? 14? Soon you would end up with the ridiculous 1984 format. Grischuk also hits the nail on the head with his observation about fans deciding how good a format is based on who wins. Aronian wasn't good enough this time to take the chances that came his way. It happens. So was Anand in 1995 (could've been a whole different match had he been alert enough to spot Kasparov's pre-game behavior and switched to 1..d5 in game 10).
If Aronian can be consistently good, and sufficiently resilient, we might well see him as world champion before the turn of the decade - especially with Carlsen chickening out the way he is..
"So what? There has to be some format for a world championship and there is no one 'perfect' format. Period."
This isn't about "perfect" formats, but formats that might encourage different match strategies.
I completely agree with Grischuk's strategy, because two rest days and two white games isn't enough to find the way through Kramnik's black repertoire (if such a thing even exists). The point is that there should be more than two rest days and more than two whites.
"Grischuk also hits the nail on the head with his observation about fans deciding how good a format is based on who wins."
Not relevant when it comes to these boards. The match strategies were predicted by many way in advance.
"especially with Carlsen chickening out the way he is.."
pfft. just because he doesn't want to waste his time playing the lottery...
"So what? There has to be some format for a world championship and there is no one 'perfect' format. Period."
This isn't about "perfect" formats, but formats that might encourage different match strategies.
I completely agree with Grischuk's strategy, because two rest days and two white games isn't enough to find the way through Kramnik's black repertoire (if such a thing even exists). The point is that there should be more than two rest days and more than two whites.
"Grischuk also hits the nail on the head with his observation about fans deciding how good a format is based on who wins."
Not relevant when it comes to these boards. The match strategies were predicted by many way in advance.
"especially with Carlsen chickening out the way he is.."
pfft. just because he doesn't want to waste his time playing the lottery...
It quite obvious there are many here hurting because
- their poster boys fell by the wayside
- their poster boy chickened out of what they think is a sub par performance by other candidates
- they feel Anand's chances of retaining the title for another 2 years just went up (and hence its going to be that much harder to bleat about the GOAT)
And ken h. You are simply the biggest pile of human discharge ever.
That was both a pre-emptive strike and what I really think of you based on what you write here.
///Since the other thread is dead, I feel compelled to repost what I just did there///
//pfft. just because he doesn't want to waste his time playing the lottery...//
go do your homework kid. You have no clue why he opted out, so give it a rest.
That's george the creep, spreading his good cheer everywhere.
Official site seems overloaded (4:43 PM EDT). Can't access the official site...
Of course the Nakamura-Ponomariov match is inaccessible; typical USA tournament organizer arrogance...writing checks with their mouths (incessantly hyping up this match) that they then can't cash (because of their faulty website). Pathetic. I'll stick to the Candidates Matches, which are at least reliably available on-line.
Well, this link works http://www.livestream.com/uschess
And Playchess, of course.
not sure what you mean, the site is great...live video and commentary...better than the last wc site....
Mig wrote "the last time Nakamura played a match like this against a Ukrainian he destroyed Sergey Karjakin way back in 2004"
Tsk, tsk... you forgot to mention that Karjakin was only 14 at that time (Naka was 16, I am not forgetting that).
Live stream has no audio currently.
Looks like Nakamura is losing to Bd3 Kg7 Rxh6 Kxh6 Qh1+ Kg7 Qh7+ Kf8 Qxd7 Bxd7 Ne4 etc.
Ne4 runs into b5! (I guess) and black gets the diagonal for bishop with a tempo.
It will definitely be interesting to see how the saint louis match unfolds. I'm interested to see how the hometown favorite holds against the 80 year old Victor the Terrible. Should be a good match-up, I've got Victor winning 4-2. As for the other match, I think Nakamura will eek by with 3.5-2.5 against Ponomariov, but they are both very dangerous players so tough to call that one.
The candidates matches haven't been too electrifying, but I have certainly been impressed with Gelfand "out-gangstering" Kamsky to come back in a must-win situation. Also, with how Grischuk employed such a change-of-pace, cautious strategy to absolutely neutralize Kramnik's grind with white, and giving him nothing with black.
As for the finals, very tough to call. As Grischuk has ousted Aronian and Kramnik so far, he has to be my favorite to impose an iron will on the veteran Gelfand. Not to discount Gelfand's match experience, however I think Grischuk is simply looking too solid (I've got him winning in the first round of the blitz tiebreak).
I've got him winning in the first round of the blitz tiebreak
I think you're right. Unfortunately, I think this will happen after ten straight draws.
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The Nakamura Pmomariov match is a good experience for Nakamura. His ultimate aim is of course to win the WC. Winning tournaments by beating up the bottom of the board and hanging in against the top players will serve as a model for winning matches. And to win the WC he needs to win matches (unless FIDE goes really crazy and decides the WC should be determined by a tournament).
Apparently you missed it: Korchnoi is ill - reportedly nothing serious but it keeps him from intercontinental travelling. He was replaced by Ray Robson.
Which means that the St. Louis audience won't get to see a living legend. Personally I am glad that I had the chance at blitz tournaments in the Netherlands - two of my clubmates (Elo around 1900 and 2100) even got to play against him, of course they lost.
The undercard Finegold vs Robson should be dubbed the Atom Bomb Match: fat man vs little boy
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Nakamura playing 60 pointless moves against a former World Champion was so much better than bad, bad Grischuk offering a draw with White in 8 and going after his beloved even shorter control. LOL I must add.
I'm sorry, but I was re-reading your initial blog entry before the Candidates began and almost fell over laughing. Notwithstanding the fact that many here give 'Hindsight man' a run for his money, here goes.
///Predictions in KOs are for fools, so here I go: Topalov beats Gelfand, Aronian beats Kramnik, and in the final Aronian beats Topalov to challenge Anand! Sure, if I were betting the baby food and playing it safe I'd say Kramnik all the way, but this is consequence free and it's more fun to pick an upset and dream of what would surely be a dazzling world championship match with a new set of storylines. And it would be nice to get a next-gen guy in there before Carlsen decides take off the skinny jeans and put on his man pants and take over. ///
So, Mig not only predicted Aronians victory, he also very very subtly predicted World Champion Aronian - and then added some to his fantasy by predicting Carlsen would take over (from Aronian lol). Aronian booted out first round.
Next Mig goes on to try to cover his ar$e by putting some of his money on Kramnik, just in case. Out goes Kramnik in round two.
Considering Gelfand is the only one left from migs initial top 4, Grischuck it may well be.
Naka already making excuses, blaming the loss on the layoff.
Whoa...what happened to GM Kortchnoi? I was looking forward to his match with GM Finegold. Is everything ok with him? Hope so.
Oh, never mind. Ired he has health concerns which prevented international travel but they were not serious in nature. Feel better Maestro.
Heard Anand was beaten by a 10 yr old. Does anyone have a link to that game?
I didn't see day one but I thought Nakamura acquitted himself in the interview after game two, better apparently than he did in the games so far. He was forthcoming, he sounded objective and patient. Good to get his brief analysis. Now why can't Kamsky do that ferchrissakes?
I only saw a couple minutes of Ponomariov - what a guy! What a contrast to Naka. In addition to being a brutal killer over the chessboard, I can't tell if he's just nice, or nice and also very deep, like a Keres.
Nakamura not complaing and making excuses,well forget about it. Then it would not be H-Bomb.
Einstein lmao.....The event poster should be titled "Nuclear War"
@Mig: There is no prize fund for Nakamura-Ponomariov, just the pleasure of winning a match against a really strong player, which definitely is something :)
I am really enjoying the live commentary on the official site, WGM Jen Shahade and IM John Donaldson have very different personalities and they focus on different things, which makes it varied and interesting.
Kudos to the Saint Louis Chess Club for the initiative :)
Not so pointless, really.
Sure, Nakamura understood that he was lost, but he was able to pose some technical difficulties, and make Ponomariov demonstrate the proper technique.
This is an exhibition match, and there is no harm in playing on, and allowing the crowd to see some instructive endgame technique.
You can imagine that if Nakamura had resigned at the onset of the B+N finale, he'd have caught some flack for not playing it out.
He is in St. Louis to play 6 games, and for a handsome payday. So what if he is motivated to put on a bit of a show for his Patron. If he has to lose, he might as well burnish his reputation as a fighter who never gives up. maintaining the Nakamura "brand"...
I just hope they do not get to a K/K+R or K/K+Q ending next time, because then we should suffer through some even more "instructive endgame technique".
Please...K+B+N vs. K has been misplayed by multiple GMs before -- its not ridiculous to play on until forced mate occurs in that position. Its nothing lik K+Q, K+R or K+2B vs. K.
Do you even know how to mate with B+N?
Yeah,just checked out these crucial matches... what a waste of time and money. Naka couyld have played in the US Champ if he was not afraid the lil Baches and the the other match who cares?????
By the way why is FienFat Teaching anyone how to play....is a draw a great resultcause that is all he plays for the phat phuck.
Looks like Anand parachuted into the Bilbao final masters without winning any qualifying tournaments.
http://www.bilbaofinalmasters.com/es/
Jennifer Shahade is unbearable. She apparently wants to bail at any time. Donaldson is as patient as you would expect.
Wow, James...you've been very quiet since Ponomariov won game one. Welcome back, and stop trolling about Naka (if you can).
That 's the spirit .
It's like that when you're rated #1 in the world as well as World Champion.
Yep, in a way Anand qualified for Bilbao by winning his match against Topalov - the press release mentions that he's world champion. Nothing wrong with that (same story last year), much less questionable than inviting the Chinese #1 Wang Hao to the Shanghai qualifier for that given reason.
The Bilbao organizers could just explicitly state that the world champion will always be invited, but actually they improvise from year to year asking themselves several questions:
- How many players can we afford, six or just four?
- How many qualifying events do we have? Last year MTel was replaced by Bazna, this year Linares isn't replaced.
- How many players qualified? Last year they had no transparent solution to the 'problem' of Carlsen multi-qualifying. This year it can happen again if Carlsen or Nakamura wins Bazna.
BTW, this year "half of Bilbao" will be held in Sao Paulo - quite a surprise, noone without inside information could have guessed. Does this mean they'll invite Vescovi - after all, he's the highest-rated Brazilian player with Elo 2634?
They should just invite the winner of the Candidates tournament to be the fourth person if Carlsen or Naka win in Bazna.
BTW, congrats to Naka for winning the match against Ponomariov. Naka haters further silenced.
Greatjob by Naka...impressive. Fatgold on the other hand even having 500lbs on his opponent succumbed to anattack agaist his monstrous head...that maybe the first GM whos' weight exceeds his raing in a few more years.
Naka's game 6 was very much in the style of Capablanca! Kudos!
lmao...that little kid sure knows how to butcher a hog
In our little village here, James is the idiot.
And in our universe kenh just won the dueshe of the year award by the largest margin ever over Arnold by a sweep of the Galgamite vote.
And in our universe kenh just won the dueshe of the year award by the largest margin ever over Arnold by a sweep of the Galgamite vote.
ps cannot take credit for the feinfat comment that was not me...sorry
Watching the games i got the impression that Ponomariov has a deeper "understanding" of chess but Nakamura calculates with almost computer-like precision and Nakamura's greatest quality is the sheer force of his willpower.
Well, I never doubted the high class and professionalism of Ukrainian players, but Ponomariov really impressed me. I found his other matches by http://byfiles.com files search and I must say that in his case we can't say just about luck. It is definitely experience and hard training that brings him success.
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